Link to Crossply Tyres and Desert Radials

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For those who are interested in strong sidewall tyres for extreme desert or rough terrain driving go to Beadell Tours MRF Tyres



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Reply By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Thursday, Apr 09, 2009 at 21:41

Thursday, Apr 09, 2009 at 21:41
interesting link Willem but the following cut and paste from their site is a little contradictory seeing as it is quoted on at least 3 captions for 3 different tyres

" this is our favourite off-road tyre for desert work "

I am sure they are good tyres but it leaves one a little confused if chasing recomendations..and I am

I am not knocking the tyres or Beadell Tours just an observation

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Follow Up By: Willem - Thursday, Apr 09, 2009 at 22:02

Thursday, Apr 09, 2009 at 22:02
Bungarra...yeah I suppose we all have to test what we think will suit our needs, until we get the right mix :-)



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Follow Up By: Crackles - Thursday, Apr 09, 2009 at 22:10

Thursday, Apr 09, 2009 at 22:10
No need to worry about the MRF's bungarra as they wont fit the alloys. (split rims only)
For years the MRF's were the rubber of choice for the commercial roo shooters out of Broken Hill being one of the only tyres that could last cross country. The Hi Miler looks to be a copy of the old Olympic Hi Miler popular in outback WA in the 80's.
All great tyres offtrack but when you get home they wont stop for you at the traffic lights & dangerously understeer on the windy wet roads!
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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Thursday, Apr 09, 2009 at 22:13

Thursday, Apr 09, 2009 at 22:13
Thank Crackles

I was aware of that but thinking of getting some split rims and changing over for some specific trips ...horses for courses....my BFG and alloys may not be the best choice on some trips

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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 08:11

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 08:11
Ah Craig

You are in the wrong profession. You should have been a University Lecturer or maybe a Policeman. Everything you post comes with a warning.

Whatever the tyres, just drive to the conditions and with care and you shouldn't have problems


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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 08:20

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 08:20
Craig, you have brought it all back on the lack of control. Had splits on our first Landcruiser and of course the rag tyres.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 08:59

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 08:59
I'm sure many will remember the days of rag tyres on old 40 series or the like. We seemed to survive and as someone else suggested, drive to the conditions.

I vividly remember the old Good Year Custom Extra Grip (Hi Milers) on split rims on the old BJ40. The only puncture I ever got on these was in St. Kilda Road, when I picked up a 4" nail. Don't remember ever running red lights unable to stop, but guess the old BJ40 wouldn't have pulled the skin off a rice pudding.....makes the 1HZ look like a drag car ;-)

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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:52

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:52
Hey Bro

We all know about your driving skills.....hahahahahaha


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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 13:52

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 13:52
Yeh, Bro, I manage to miss stakes in tyres where I drive. I guess that is one of the main parts - knowing where your wheels are going to roll.

Let someone go ahead and roll over sharp stones or go ahead and avoid them. The latter is my way. I have heard people say about some stony roads being rough, but to me that is just another characteristic to enjoy.

Friends who run down rocky slopes have said, it is a matter of judging your balance point and a foot from rock to rock to maintain a balance. I have found making split second decisions about where the wheels are a bit like planning a way through a rapid, from gap to gap, making allowances. Fun but it can be tiring.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 20:57

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 20:57
"I manage to miss stakes in tyres where I drive. I guess that is one of the main parts - knowing where your wheels are going to roll. "

John,
You are spot on. I've always travelled deserts in groups of up to 10 vehicles. What brought this home to me most was to see two identical 100series do the Madigan Line with identical BFG tyres. One had no punctures and the other had 6 sidewall punctures. Got to watch where you're putting your wheels.

Mark,
I liked the Goodyear HiMilers too - had them on a 2A LandRover and later on a FJ55. Got no punctures with the 8ply version, but had stones go through the tread regularly on the 6ply.

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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 21:18

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 21:18
Phil,

never had the 6 plys.....

Still remember the joy of putting a new set on as when new they were relatively quiet. Over time, they would get louder and louder and by the time they were nearly worn out, they would howl something shocking. Though with the old 40 series, ti didn't matter that much really!!

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Follow Up By: Member - Mark E (VIC) - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 21:22

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 21:22
These look familiar???


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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 21:44

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 21:44
"you have brought it all back on the lack of control"
Control on the road was always last on the list of concerns John when we were young. Deep tread was what we needed for the High Country mud so most of our club fitted the Custom extra grips before upgrading to the Tripple Tracks.
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Follow Up By: Member - JohnR (Vic) - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 21:57

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 21:57
Craig, when you are pushed hard into the last mistake, control has been lost. You can be against the tree. All the planning to make allowances for your tyres isn't any good whatsoever. Fortunately or unfortunately, we haven't had to think too much about mud. Last time in the Victorian HC in the winter was before the earlier fires.

Loss of control can be fun - sometimes, until it is too late.

Phil, the placement of wheels was something I learnt about years ago, where Harry Firth actually highlighted his flattening of four tyres on a bridge with two spikes. He didn't know where his wheels were placed but had seen the spikes.

Phil again, two Adelaide friends have a birthday today, but I guess if I mentioned who had celebrated, the post may be moderated. I hope they had a great day.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 22:10

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 22:10
Mark,
Are they the tyres they used to put on the LandRover Perenties? ??Goodyears??

JohnR,
I was wondering why we had a few visitors today? hehe thanks!
Harry Firth was a blast from the past. I watched all those Bathurst races in the 1960's - I liked the Fords back then but then he switched camps.
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Reply By: Member -Signman - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:13

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:13
Morning Willem
Check out the Bridgestone MLX857 next time your in the tyre shop!!

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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:51

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:51
G'day Signman

I Googled Bridgestone but could not find that tyre in existence.

Going to Port Augusta next week so will call in to Bridgstone and ask.

Are the MLX 857's rags or steel?


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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 14:05

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 14:05
bridgestone.com.au/tyres/treads/m857



The M857 is a steel-belted on and off-road, all-position tyre suitable for on and off-highway use. It offers outstanding durability, driving stability, grip and ride comfort.

The all-steel casing provides high resistance to cutting, chipping, irregular wear and abrasion.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:29

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:29
If there the tyres im thinking of they are an 8 ply rating with a 1 ply sidewall
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:33

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:33
Bit hard to read but it says tread 4 plys and sidewall 1 ply all steel

there OK but nothing special --- if its the same tyre
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 20:34

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 20:34
I used to run those Bridgestones on my troopie back in the late 1980's. They were called M757 back then - an 8-ply steel sidewall tyre that were made for the mining industry. Never staked one, but separated the tread on two of them. They'd wear out in 40,000k even though they had a nice deep tread. Very expensive too - back then they cost over $250 each.

They were the last splits I ran - blowouts on the highway nearly rolled the vehicle twice - I got sick of splits after that.
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Follow Up By: Member -Signman - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 17:54

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 17:54
Hi get outmore
The 857 is actually an 8 ply rated tyre INCLUDING 4 plys of steel in the tread AND 1 ply steel in the sidewall. I don't think there are many tyres around with that structure.
I think the ST/C Coopers boast 2 ply stell in the tread and no steel ply in the sirewall.
The set I have here have been thru Algiers, Morocco the Sahara and all points in between for about 30000 MILES and by the looks still have a bit of outback Oz to go.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 20:16

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 20:16
theres a few that make the same type of tyre - from memory michelin do and hankook . the one in the pic is 8 ply with 4 steel beltsin the tread and 1 in the sidewall - no nylon or polyester plys

there not bad but not as strong as rag tyres. from memory willie epping tried them and had a bit of a fail.

We ran them in the Pilbara but the Pilbara is pretty easy on tyres when offtrack so it wasnt much of a test
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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:40

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:40
Reading the tyre pressures on the chart it begs the question of what would be the minimum pressures you could run rag tyres at?
I've got a set of Hankook 7.50 x 16 14 ply bias tyres that look a bit like the M-77s. Run them at about 50 on the tar and whatever is comfortable off road.

Excellent tyre off road in the rock and gravel, mud tends to clog a bit and in sand they cut in. As for stopping on the road, well like Willem said; drive to the conditions.

As per my first question what would you consider as a safe low pressure with these types of tyres, on splits, so as to get the increased footprint needed for sand and mud driving??


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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:49

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 09:49
Dunc

I would go as low as 10psi if needed. I am running 16ply MRF's at the moment. Have taken them through rocky country but the big test will come this year in the desert. They may cut in a bit so it remains to be seen how they will go. I have a backup set of 12 ply tyres should the need arise out bush.

As I lead trips most of the time I am the advance party and tend to get the punctures first. Tyres with strong sidewalls are the go.

I don't think that they will do any good in mud. Best thing then is to wait for it to dry off a bit :-)

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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 20:43

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 20:43
Dunc,
Depends on how powerful your vehicle is and how you drive it. The risk you run at low pressures is that the tyre can rotate on the split rim and rip the valve off the tube. Seen it happen at the club on sand driving weekends where the conditions are soft and the right pedal is flat to the floor.

For this reason, some people I know with splits won't go below 20psi. Others will run lower pressures and use a more sedate right foot.

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Reply By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:09

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:09
Willem

what tread patter of MRF's are you using?

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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:19

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 10:19
Bungarra

Running Super Lug 16ply x 4 tyres. 1 x Super Traction 12 ply on spare and 3 x Super Traction(one being a spare) on Trailer. I can interchange 4 to the Nissan as it suits


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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:10

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:10
Does anyone know what sort of price the Super Milers are ?


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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:27

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:27
Kiwi


At the moment $230 including MRF tube

I bought 4 a short while ago for $155ea inc tube. But with the dollar being low and buying less, the price went up :-(
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:40

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 11:40
Thanks Willem,

When using the 12 ply what pressure are you likely to be running them at (loaded) on the black stuff ?

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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:13

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:13
Kiwi

I run 12 or 16 ply at 45psi on the black stuff and down to 22-25 on gravel roads. I don't differentiate between front and back


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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:21

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 12:21
Thanks Willem

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Reply By: mechpete - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:21

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:21
you need to be careful that if your vehclie has a tyre complaince
plate the tyres must meet the ADRs for that vehicle or its unroadworthy . insurance issues !!
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:45

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:45
I ran them for at least 6 months with no insurance issues
- i never made a claim
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Follow Up By: Willem - Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:46

Friday, Apr 10, 2009 at 15:46
Maybe in the Big Smoke but out here in the country it is of little importance. Maybe also it pertains to newer Softroader 4bies. I don't worry about insurance companies 'cos I don't insure the truck. Would rather put that money to better use. Just have to drive carefully
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Follow Up By: Twintrail(W.A.) - Sunday, Apr 12, 2009 at 00:25

Sunday, Apr 12, 2009 at 00:25
Hi willem,i cant see you because i think you are be hinde the tree having a p
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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Apr 12, 2009 at 05:23

Sunday, Apr 12, 2009 at 05:23
Hi Pedro.

Not me, silly, the Lizard!.....lol
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