Cruise control for Patrol

Submitted: Saturday, Aug 23, 2003 at 20:06
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I am thinking of fitting cruise control to my GQ Patrol 4.2 diesel,can onyone advise me on what the AP50 cruise control unit that K mart stocks is like,would this unit fit and operate on my Patrol also who else stocks this unit forsale.
Is there other units on the market that would suit this vehicle.
All advice appreciated with thanks.
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Reply By: joc45 - Saturday, Aug 23, 2003 at 21:03

Saturday, Aug 23, 2003 at 21:03
I had one fitted to my old GQ diesel, it was great.
Now have one fitted to my GU and fine also.
Problem:
You have to fix magnets to the tailshaft - this presents two problems;
1. The magnets are prone to coming off. I used the wire provided, but also aradited them and the wire to the tailshaft and no further problems (scrape paint off tailshaft first).
2. On really rough roads, the tailshaft shakes quite a bit, and if the pickup coil is too far away from the magnets, the signal can drop out. If too close, the magnets hit the coil.
I fixed this on the GU by using the signal from the speedo sensor and halving the frequency, but this required a bit of electronics. Have the circuit if you want it, but will have to email the docs.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: peter - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:07

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:07
Thanks joc for the info,Ithink I'll order one and give it a go,I'll see how the magnets go, araditing should do the trick.
regards Peter.
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:22

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:22
Another trick worth doing is to fit a cutout switch on the clutch (like the one on the brake pedal) to disable the cc when changing gears. This stops the possibility of over-revving the diesel if taken out of gear. The clucth switch also allows you to disable the CC without touching the brake pedal and bringing on the brake lights.
I used a micro-switch (avail from Jaycar, Altronics) and a bit of jiggery pokery to fit it to the cluch pedal. You will need a single pole double throw switch to wire it into the brake pedal switch circuit.
I believe the CC company can provide a suitable switch at extra cost (about $50 - seemed a bit exy to me). Check the paperwork with the kit for info.
Otherwise I can email the info. gerron@bigpond.net.au
Gerry
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Follow Up By: uppy - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 14:34

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 14:34
ive got a 4.2 patrol efi petrol ,and we are looking at instoring a cc in our truck . is it much of a job
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 15:18

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 15:18
Not sure about the location of the throttle control on the efi, but shouldn't be a problem.
I installed the CC servo on the inside wall of the rh wheel arch, near the brake servo. The CC servo has a bowden cable about 500mm long which then connects to the throttle control. A kit is provided with all manner of linkages, etc to fit just about any carbie/efi/injector pump throttle control. It's all pretty easy, and a video is provided, but you just need to take a bit of time to decide which options are best for your vehicle, given the available bits they provide.
Somewhere under the front seats you will find a rubber bung thru to the underside of the vehicle; use this to feed the wiring for the speed sensor pickup. On my GQ, I mounted the pickup on a braket attached to the tubular cross-member, but on the GU, I attached the bracket to the underside of the floor.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Member - Bigbear - Monday, Aug 25, 2003 at 15:10

Monday, Aug 25, 2003 at 15:10
Hi Gerry

Ihave a CC on my patrol but was not able to work out how to do the clutch cut out wirng. Could you email the wiring diagram too please.
Bush Bappo's 4WD Club
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Monday, Aug 25, 2003 at 22:35

Monday, Aug 25, 2003 at 22:35
Hi Bigbear,
Not sure how to email you directly. Drop me a line on gerron@bigpond.net.au
Gerry
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Reply By: joc45 - Saturday, Aug 23, 2003 at 21:04

Saturday, Aug 23, 2003 at 21:04
I had one fitted to my old GQ diesel, it was great.
Now have one fitted to my GU and fine also.
Problem:
You have to fix magnets to the tailshaft - this presents two problems;
1. The magnets are prone to coming off. I used the wire provided, but also aradited them and the wire to the tailshaft and no further problems (scrape paint off tailshaft first).
2. On really rough roads, the tailshaft shakes quite a bit, and if the pickup coil is too far away from the magnets, the signal can drop out. If too close, the magnets hit the coil.
I fixed this on the GU by using the signal from the speedo sensor and halving the frequency, but this required a bit of electronics. Have the circuit if you want it, but will have to email the docs.
Gerry
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Reply By: Mad Dog Morgan (Vic) - Saturday, Aug 23, 2003 at 21:35

Saturday, Aug 23, 2003 at 21:35
I fitted one to a vl commodore many moons ago. Never missed a beat over 100,000
k's. I've heard many good reports on this unit.Hooroo
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Follow Up By: peter - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:10

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:10
Thanks for the feed back,I'll be more than happy if I can get 100,000km from a unit.
Regards Peter.
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Reply By: uppy - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 09:22

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 09:22
Peter. ive got a petrol patrol, what i like to know is how much does the cruise control cost
regards uppy
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Follow Up By: peter - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:17

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:17
Hi Uppy,
In SA KMart has them for $209.00,I have heard that they can be purchased for as low as $159.00 but not sure where from,from the feed back I've had I am going to purchase one so will be ringing around for prices.
Regards Peter
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Reply By: Member - Glenn(VIC) - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 10:16

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 10:16
I have an 80 series Cruiser and I am also interested in whether it would operate on my vehicle and how much it costs.Just Do It!

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Follow Up By: peter - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:21

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:21
From what I understand they are a universal fit
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:25

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:25
That's right - the kit comes with every conceivable adapter, screw, cable, whatever, to fit it to various carbies, injector pumps, etc. And they include a video showing how to do it all and calibrate it.
I paid about $140 at a Kmart 20%-off sale, but that was about 3 years ago.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: Member - Glenn(VIC) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003 at 14:04

Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003 at 14:04
Hi joc45,

You wouldn't still have a copy of the video would you? It doesn't come with the latest AP-50. It has been installed but once the speed is past 60 kmh, the CC won't kick in or accellerate. I had to replace my accelerator cable since it was installed, so I just wanted to view the video to make sure everything is in correctly.

CheersJust Do It!

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Reply By: Hilly - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 11:34

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 11:34
I've got the factory item on mine and I the dealer said he fits it to plenty of the 3 litres aftermarket as they don't come standard. From memory he said somewhere around the $350 mark?
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Reply By: Member - Wherethehellawi - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 11:48

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 11:48
I have bben told that manufacturers do not like the fitting of cruise to manual non turbo diesel-- some thing to do with driver not changing down and motor slaving ??? just some info I heard...dont know how if this is of real concern though!
so dont slam me, set the record straight if its incorrect.Wow! am I cute
If yer ain't fishing, Yer ain't livin
Richard
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Follow Up By: joc45 - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:11

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 12:11
On the GQ (non-turbo), I found that the cruise control didn't work all that well in hilly conditions; the throttle was flat out up hills, but out on the open country it was still a treat, and really made those long stretches of road so relaxing to traverse. By anticipating hills with a bit of extra throttle, the cc wasn't a problem.
On the GU turbo, it's great.
I note that the latest 4.2turbo ST has a cruise control as factory standard (or the one in the yard did).
Gerry
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Follow Up By: donc - Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 22:39

Sunday, Aug 24, 2003 at 22:39
Joc, i agree in the hilly stuff the cruise isn't the best og the non turbo gq diesels, but definantly worth the money for the long stretches. I've got the electronic version, no magnets, but the fitters had a sod of a time trying to fit it to my rig (base model DX GQ patrol) as the wires required to wire in one part of it weren't there. Was eventually sorted and its worked a treat apaprt from when the clutch cut-out switch fell apart. Just make sure good solid switches are used on the brake and clucth.
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Reply By: Hatcher - Monday, Aug 25, 2003 at 11:53

Monday, Aug 25, 2003 at 11:53
Hi Peter,

I fitted one to my old 4Runner and it worked extremely well. The only problems I found was after I installed it, it would not engage at speeds over 60Km/h. This turned out to be too many magnets on the tail shaft. The manual suggests fitting two, and the kit supplies three, but I ended up getting it to work with only one. The second problem was that after about 6000k's the bracket holding the sensor sheared off completely right at the 90 deg bend. It was lucky that I had crawled under the truck to check for oil leaks after a long trip and saw the sensor with half a bracket dangling in the breeze. Could be expensive to lose a sensor so I would recommend using a stronger piece of steel bent to replace the supplied bracket. Apart from that I would not hesitate in using the AP-50.
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Reply By: Member - Glenn(VIC) - Monday, Aug 25, 2003 at 16:40

Monday, Aug 25, 2003 at 16:40
Hi Peter,

Checked the price of the AP-50 at my local Kmart yesterday - $210. I might check Super Cheap to se if they stock them.Just Do It!

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