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Submitted: Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:30
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Not sure if this has already been posted on here but I was shocked. What they are looking at is making all modifications to vehicles illegal unless you pay to have it approved...and it wont be cheap. This would apply to fuel tanks, spotlights, drawer systems, snorklels, springs, shocks , wheel carriers, dual battery systems, tyres 275x65x16 will be illegal etc,ect,ect.

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/vehicle_regulation/bulletin/vsb_ncop.aspx
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Reply By: chisel - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:51

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:51
See thread 67213
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Reply By: Member - Tour Boy ( Bundy QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:30

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:30
I thought that these regs have been around for years
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Follow Up By: Member - Bentaxle - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:40

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 11:40
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They probably have, but given the growing anti 4wd sentiment they are now being reviewed and could very well become inforced like the recent Activity Statements.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 13:20

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 13:20
Yeah they have been around for years in a de facto way. This is not aimed at the 4x4 mob solely but at the Fancy Car mob and street racers. Basically what they want you to do is nbot to modify your vehcice beyond its saftey limit. Its no big deal though.
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Reply By: Member - Oldplodder (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 14:22

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 14:22
I don't see the problem?

You query 265/75/16 tyres being allowed as an example.
If you read these regs, off road vehicles can be 50mm larger and 26mm smaller, larger has the option to be certified.

Where is the issue?

All these requirements can be bypassed if certified.

I went from 29" to 32" OD tyres, and got the change certified without any problems.

Maximum lift is 150mm without certification.

So what is the problem?
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 14:24

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 14:24
was under the impression that a 2" lift is maximum in good old Queensland.




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Follow Up By: Lex M (Brisbane) - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 16:26

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 16:26
The new regs if accepted are more lenient than the current ones in Qld.
15mm is the current legal max. An engineer cannot legally certify more.
Qoute from Qld transport book.
"The rim diameter may be varied from the standard size
but the overall diameter of the tyre must not vary by
more than +15mm or -26mm."
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Reply By: Richard W (NSW) - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 17:55

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 17:55
NSW&ACT 4WD have a meeting with the Ministers advisors and reps shortly to put in the 4WD argument.
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Reply By: DIO - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 18:38

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 18:38
Any (ANY) modification(s), unless approved to ADR standards (engineer/certificate etc), that change/alter/modify any aspect of your vehicle from the ADR standards/requirements that existed at the time of manufacture of your vehicle are ILLEGAL.
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Follow Up By: jeepthing - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 19:36

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 19:36
That's the way I read the info on that site and if it was policed I suggest there would be a lot of 4x4 owners in trouble.

I suggest that the principal reason there is this anti 4x4 group in our community is because they see a percentage of these vehicles that have been raised and fitted with oversize tyres that are causing damage to tracks around this country and the environment.

It's got to the stage at some localities that some sand tracks have been dug out so deep that standard height 4x4's cannot negotiate some tight tracks eg through narrow cuttings.

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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 20:20

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 20:20
jeepthing,

"That's the way I read the info on that site and if it was policed I suggest there would be a lot of 4x4 owners in trouble."


If this policy was enforced then not only would a lot of 4wder's be in trouble, any vehicle with any modification, from when the vehicle left the factory would be in trouble. There are a lot of cars out there that have lot of modifications done to them.

I don't mind copping policies up the clacka, as long as we are all in the same boat.....
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Follow Up By: jeepthing - Thursday, Apr 16, 2009 at 08:02

Thursday, Apr 16, 2009 at 08:02
Greg,

I agree that there should be a level playing field and at the moment, luckily for some 4x4ers the police are targeting conventional vehicles ie the "hoons" who have modified their vehicles.

With respect to 4x4er's I believe that if a person is a competent off road driver there is really no reason to lift a vehicle or increase tyre size. It's a matter of negotiating the territory properly.
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Reply By: Member - Scrubcat (VIC) - Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 19:40

Wednesday, Apr 15, 2009 at 19:40
Rules, Regulations, Rules, Regulations.Rules, Rules, Rules.
Too bloody many Rules & Regulations = more stress.
Better off ignoring most of them = less stress.

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Reply By: Miss Jo - Toad Keeper - Friday, Apr 17, 2009 at 13:43

Friday, Apr 17, 2009 at 13:43
QUOTE "I suggest that the principal reason there is this anti 4x4 group in our community is because they see a percentage of these vehicles that have been raised and fitted with oversize tyres that are causing damage to tracks around this country and the environment.

It's got to the stage at some localities that some sand tracks have been dug out so deep that standard height 4x4's cannot negotiate some tight tracks eg through narrow cuttings."


And you know who is doing all this??
All the young idiots with their beaten up hiluxs with majorly ridiculous lifts and oversized tyres and a hole or two in the muffler to make is sound 'better'...

You do my job and see what I see and try to tell me otherwise!

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Follow Up By: cyoung2203 - Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 at 01:25

Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 at 01:25
Well said!

The 4x4 club I am with did some work in the Barrington tops area repairing tracks etc. The next week a group of people in another 4x4 club who shall remain nameless attended the area and destroyed the tracks.

The trip report was circulated thanks to the interclub exchange of club magazines and here it was in black and blue.

Comments like:

I left my truck in 2wd and spat mud all over blah blah's vehcile behind me all the way up the hill

and gems like:

By the time we got to the top of the hill it was actually becoming a challenge thanks to the guys in front that chewed up the tracks for everyone else.

The above are not precise quotes but very very close. The whole trip reports reeked of a pack of idiots in 4x4's wrecking the place in the name of fun. Deliberate destruction. And they were dumb enough to publish it in their mag.

They didnt appreciate being told under no uncertain terms what we thought of their conduct but there was no offer to fix the damage they created. Just threats in the event that we pursued the matter...
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Reply By: cyoung2203 - Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 at 01:17

Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 at 01:17
Looks fine to me...

I dont see any issue stopping people from raising vehicles more than 50mm (Settled lift) from doing so without it being properly checked. I have driven a modified Patrol with a significant lift and the handling was terrible! Downright dangerous if you ask me.

These rules have been around for a while but not really policed. The manufacturers of lifts and those that supply them have an obligation, even if it is only a duty of care, to make sure what they supply is legal and doesnt make the vehicle dangerous.

Imagine the problem if someone went and fitted a supercharger to their vehicle without adjusting braking capacity.

I have no issue in seeing mods policed if they are outside of what most of us consider reasonable. There is nothing in here that I read that would suggest anything is over the top.

I saw a Hyundai Excel the other day that had been lowered. He hit a join in the tar road and bounced all the way to the set of lights. Obviously he just cut the springs. Anyone care to think how that contraption now handles? Probably as good as a Patrol with a 10cm lift.... :)

A vehicle designed and registered for the road must be safe and handle safely. Vehicle manufacturers go to a lot of trouble to make sure the vehicles they supply meet a range of standards. Remember the Moose Test in the US that the Mercedes A Class failed? Some people just dont think ...if you want a tractor...go buy one...but dont mod your vehicle to the point where it is arguably no longer within the vehicles design parameters unless it is properly checked and stamped accordingly, and expect to drive it on the road with the rest of us.

A work colleague years ago had some moron in a Hilux that he had lifted, stuck a V8 in etc go up the gutter as it couldnt navigate the bend due to the recent suspension upgrades and kill their 3 year old daughter who was playing with them whilst they did their gardens. It was well publicised...but nothing much has changed so I dont think to get those sorts of things off the road.

Craig

PS: I like Patrols...a lot...but some people mod vehicles for appearance without considering the effects on handling.

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Reply By: OzTroopy - Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 at 09:32

Sunday, Apr 26, 2009 at 09:32
Vintage or veteran cars have their own number plates .... so should the 4" lift / 37" tyre brigade.

Neither vehicle type would be much more dangerous on the road, than the other.

Offroad competition vehicles ( as most of them try to look like ) registered for on road use could have speed limits / area restrictions imposed .. e.g.

Puple number plate 4x4 doing over 80kph ... gets a ticket.
or
Purple number plates get banned from NP / other areas unless under escort.

Additionally .... Given our over the top taxes and vehicle operational costs ... free inspections and approval (or not) of modifications should be available at inspection stations ... that way people who have no idea could learn that their planned idea is not suitable for general use ... rather than just doing it and hoping its OK coz it looked like that in a magazine or 4x4 forum.

Its all so easy really ......... Hint Hint DIO.

Personally I find it quite pathetic that this country ... with its once proud tradition af innovation and adapatability ... is now in the situation where govt rules are squashing that tradition.

Since its the ANZAC day weekend .... Just imagine if the digger that came up with rifle mount for WW1 trench use or the one that made a telephone exchange using bullet casings for connectors ... got told that the gear couldnt be used because of OH&S rules about hammers or soldering irons ........ or because someone using them might get a splinter ........... and only approved, supplied military eqpt could be used.

Or perhaps the Browns trying to start a viable aftermarket accessory manufacturing business in todays environment.
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