O/T I know this is an unpopular subject for some, but

Submitted: Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 14:39
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In readiness for the trip in June, I’m looking for suggestions on where to secure a firearm in a camper trailer. Normally it’s secured out of sight in the car in accordance with firearm regulations.

However, there will be times whereby the camper if left for a period of time in a caravan park. I might add the rifle is inoperable with the bolt removed and the firing mechanism locked.

This makes the rifle useless, but won’t stop the criminal element from pinching it (if given half the chance).

The CT has a tunnel boot and I’m thinking of running a high tensile cable(s) around the chassis to secure the gun case within the boot.

Any other ideas?

Regards

Kim
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Reply By: Mr Z - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 14:51

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 14:51
would it be safer to leave it in the car?

if not I guess using a lockable rifle case secured to the camper would be the next best thing
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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 14:56

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 14:56
There are some places that don't allow firearms, such as National Parks.

In this case I have to leave the the CT in a caravan park or other suitable location.

Regards

Kim
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Reply By: get outmore - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 14:56

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 14:56
for starters I would look at the relevent laws. From memory there prett grey/non existant in that area

I used to keep my pistols in a locked tool box under the bed of my camper bolted to the floor
Conealment is the key while crims know exactly where to find stuff - if they see it chances are they will steal it regardless of te measures you have inplace
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Reply By: Member - Kroozer (WA) - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:06

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:06
I believe locked or unlocked your firearms should never leave your sight when travelling. Quiet easy for them to replace the bolt. I would hate to lose my rifle. The car would be the best spot, locked in a safe thats bolted to the floor. I could never leave my firearm anywhere, but at home in its safe. Where will you be stowing its ammo, hopefully somewhere safe, yet easy to grab incase of fire. Dont want bullets firing off through the caravan parks while your away after some little bleep couldnt steal from it so he lights it up. Surely if you disassemble rifle it could be stowed in car along with ammo in a box under the seat or something.
I am no way against your actions here mate, just alot of things to consider with firearms so that, we/us the responsible ones dont lose our privilige of owning firearms. I believe that by posting this thread you are after a safe, secure and foolproof storage idea. Good luck and i am sure someone will come along and help you out. (and i bet you will get the normal negative posts that come with this subject.)
Good luck mate
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Follow Up By: Bushtrek - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:25

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:25
My view is the same.
I have made several bolts and pins for rifles over the years, it's not difficult and access to the steel is even easier these days, so if the weapon is stolen it will become another one of the thousands that are not registered and still in circulation/use in the community.

Your car is the preferred location to secure the rifle out of sight and against the elements.

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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:49

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:49
Thanks Kroozer

You’ll get no criticism from me on that. However sometimes you’re forced into these situations. My first point of call is usually the local gun club, but many of them don’t have the storage facilities.

The rifle is a Sako with a very effective locking mechanism making it totally unusable. In fact the firing mechanisim would have to be destroyed and completly rebuilt.

The bolt and ammunition are never left in the same location as the rifle unless being used.

Regards

Kim
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 16:19

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 16:19
Hi Kim

While your camper is in storage, i presume that would be in or near a town. The local police station should store your gun safely for you.

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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 17:19

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 17:19
Gidday

Tried that once in WA and never again. I gave the young copper my shooting license, and permit (issued by his own department) and almost finished up having the rifle impounded because he knew nothing about firearm laws.

Luckily I had the contact details of the firearms officer down in Perth who issued the permit and rang him on the mobile, then handed the phone to the local copper.

From memory, I was in there for around 1.5 hours and very relieved to get the rifle back.

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Kim
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 17:25

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 17:25
Strange; with a WA permit there should have been no problem at all. This time you won't be in WA? Perhaps you won't be so unlucky as the get someone who knows nothing.

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Tuesday, May 05, 2009 at 17:02

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 at 17:02
firarms have always been very inconsistent in WA it seemed to be given to junior coppers or ones that had bleep off the top brass, you would never deal with the same people as they would be trying to get out of there
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Reply By: Bushtrek - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:19

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:19
Transport is generally covered by each State legislature --See here.
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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:53

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:53
Thanks Bushtrek

Yes, I'm fully conversant with state legislation.

Regards

Kim
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Reply By: OzTroopy - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:23

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 15:23
Its a shame that society is the way it is today .... both the thieves and the paranoid.

Otherwise you could just leave the things padlocked to the window mounts like we used to be able to do ......

Just use a secure lockbox with a number of different securing types ... bolts - allenkey heads/torquescrew variations ... Not likely anybody would have the needed combination of tools to get all of them undone.

Also use a covered padlock system such as that used on shipping containers et ... cant get the bolt cutters onto the lock shank that way.

All a PITA ... but as use of the items is restricted to approved, diminishing locations .... you wont need to get it out all that often .....
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Reply By: Kim and Damn Dog - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 16:17

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 16:17
I should have mentioned also, that I’m considering asking the manufacture to create a hidden section, but there’s $$$$ involved in that.

Anyway I’ll speak to him early next week and get a quote on the extra work, and how it could be done.

Regards

Kim
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Reply By: wild dog - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 17:36

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 17:36
Why not lock the rifle in the car. I do and according to Qld. laws that is OK. Bolt and ammo in seperate locked container.

You only have to satisfy the laws, if it gets ripped off notify the police.
YOU haven't broken the law, the slimeball that took your car is the criminal !!!
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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 18:19

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 18:19
Gidday Wild Dog

I probably haven’t explained my post very well. There are restrictive areas stating ‘no firearms’ allowed. These include national parks, sensitive crown land, conservations areas and private property to name a few.

Rightly or wrongly I’ve always assumed that ‘no firearms’ means exactly that (even if secured, according to law). If I’ve been wrong after all these years, then I no longer have a problem with keeping the rifle in the car.

Of course, with my bloody luck, the first official I come across won’t see it that way!!!!!!

LOL

Regards

Kim
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Reply By: George - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 17:58

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 17:58
Securely locked case (preferably steel) bolted to the chassis should suffice as long as it is fitted out of sight. Just make sure that you have always good (verifiable) explanation why you need the firearm on a trip – personal protection is not acceptable and can cost you your licence.
Cheers
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Reply By: Willem - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 18:19

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 18:19
Kim

Go down to the secondhand shop and buy a guitar case and put the rifle in there and leave it in your camper. Just in case someone should decide to take a peek inside then wire the metal locking clip to the camper battery and that should deter anyone breaking in, big time :-)

Alternatively. Get a steel fabricator to make a steel box that could be welded or bolted to the chassis of the camper underneath the floor somewhere with access to the rifle from inside the camper.

Or leave the bloody thing at home and rest easy!...lol


Cheers
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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 19:26

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 19:26
Gidday Willem

I might give the first suggestion a miss, because that sort of ill deed got me into a bit of trouble as a youngster.

Your second suggestion sounds about right, and could be incorporated as a hidden section during the manufacturing of the CT. It’s also given me a couple of other ideas.

I could leave the rifle at home, and then lecture the other fellas on the trip about the demerits of eradicating feral animals (whilst sipping on the delicate aroma of Lipton’s tea). Golly gosh, I think that may work....a bit of decorum in the bush at last.

LOL

Regards

Kim
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Reply By: Mudripper - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 18:56

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 18:56
Definitely not an "unpopular subject" to me.

Remember to use trigger locks. That way you don't have to take the bolt out (according to Tasmanian laws anyway). I think you can keep anyone busy with trigger locks! Unless they are very well prepared and take off the trigger guard. Usually they're just looking for a quick steal. But (according to law) you have to take "all" precautions. I would use a lockable metal box that is concealed in some way where people normally don't (or wouldn't think) of looking, like inside a cavity somewhere? You have to temporarily think like a criminal in order to fool them. That way you'll see who'll make the mistake first =)

Cheers.
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Follow Up By: wild dog - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 19:16

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 19:16
Tasmania and NZ have it easier than Qld..
Our laws require the bolt and magazine to be removed from the firearm and stored seperately , not only when travelling but also in storage at home.

Of course criminals are exempt from these laws.

Some ranges in Qld. also require the bolt to be removed from the rifle untill the firearm is put in the rack.
Can't see why the steel box welded to the trailer and a seperate one for the bolt and ammo wouldn't satisfy Qld. regs.

It's legal here to have a safe NOT fixed as long as it's over 150kg.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 19:23

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 19:23
Just a thought.

Technically, when is a firearm a firearm. That is, if it does not have a bolt is it still a fire arm ?

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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Monday, May 04, 2009 at 17:15

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 17:15
yes, it is still a firearm....try waving it at a copper and see what happens lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 18:28

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 18:28
Lol, yes, that would be a good example :-))
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Tuesday, May 05, 2009 at 17:04

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 at 17:04
if its got a regestration number - its a firearm

all 3 of my Sako barrels are seperate registered firearms as theyb have rego nos
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 06:11

Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 06:11
Without a registration number it is Still a firearm!

Krakka
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 07:33

Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 07:33
spot on Krakka

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 08:34

Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 08:34
I meant everything being legal and not filed off
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 10:13

Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 10:13
Yeah, we know what you meant, but!!!!!

Cheers
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Reply By: wild dog - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 19:35

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 19:35
Thread 68460 talks about insurance of contents in vehicles.
I have 10 guns and RACQ covered them as contents of the car when we moved to Cairns.
Maybe worth considering when travelling with a firearm in a camper trailer.
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Reply By: Member - Ingo57 (NSW) - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 21:20

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 21:20
G'day Kim

Myself and like most above I always travel with mine in the vehicle and believe thats the safest place, IMO as long as you have it in a lockable compartment weather in a trailer or car, It is the same as your gun safe at home.

Cheers


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Reply By: PradOz - Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 21:50

Sunday, May 03, 2009 at 21:50
hi Kim - not sure of the layout of your particular camper van but
I would have a steel box with its own lockable lid/access door, fit that below a hinged timber access door in floor (even line the back and/or front of the timber access door with steel if you want) and fit a false floor above that. Position this under the floor level so that you access it through the seat box, then the false floor, access panel then steel box door. Just fit the steel box below the floor to the chassis etc - it doesnt have to be all that deep so from below it wouldnt be noticable, paint it to match below deck or if it sits beside water tank just have the bash plate from water tank extended to cover both so no one knows its there. There may even be something purpose built from gun shop/supplier that you could use for this purpose.

Depending on size needed you may even be able to do it above floor but in the seat box. Hope this gets you started, cheers
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Monday, May 04, 2009 at 13:40

Monday, May 04, 2009 at 13:40
Gday Kim,
Any thing you can fabricate, can be dismantled....All you ned to do is be covered by law and make it hard for the bastards!
A decent piece of RHS with one end caped and the other with a door on will do the job. Bolt it inside you camper and put a dob of weld on the nuts once its in.....the only way they can get it out is with a grinder.

Cheers
Hairy
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Reply By: Moose - Tuesday, May 05, 2009 at 13:28

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 at 13:28
G'day Kim
How would NP officials know you had a firearm in the car if it was safely stored out of sight? They do not conduct random vehicle searches so unless they can see it or you tell them they will not know. If the storage box is visible surely you can throw some clothes, towels etc over it.
Cheers from the Moose.
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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Tuesday, May 05, 2009 at 17:38

Tuesday, May 05, 2009 at 17:38
Gidday Moose

I only have this as a third hand report, but was told a fella had an accident in the Mt Buffalo National park. According to the story, the coppers found the gun in the wreckage. He finished up having the gun confiscated, and fined by the National park Service.

Regards

Kim
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Reply By: Kim and Damn Dog - Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 02:24

Wednesday, May 06, 2009 at 02:24
Thanks for your advice fellas.

I now have some very good ideas.

Regards

Kim
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