Can my inverter charge this? - expert advice required?
Submitted: Monday, May 11, 2009 at 18:00
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Member - Mick O (VIC)
I have been looking at some 18V cordless power
tools as part of the tool collection for future outback trips. The charger is a “1 Hour” type or so it says on the box. On the bottom of the charger for said
tools are the input and output figures/ratio?. What I need to know is if my current
inverters will power this charger based on the information at hand.
INPUT: 240V (Squiggle) 50 HZ 75W
OUTPUT: 18.0V -.- 1.9A/34VA
I have a 300 watt Pure Sine Wave inverter as
well as a 150 Watt modified Sine Wave. The 150 Watt unit is a cig plug type for small appliance charging (Laptop, video camera). The 300W unit is connected direct to the battery with short, H/D cables.
From my limited understanding I think the 300W should power the charger. Could those more knowledgeable in the confusing world of electrical current give me a yay or nay on the above.
Many thanks.
Mick
P.S. "Squiggle"is a techo term for a symbol I have no hope of replicating on this humble computer but it looked like a flattened and horizontal 's'.
Reply By: Wayne (NSW) - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 18:25
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 18:25
Mick,
I have in the past charged the battery for an cordless drill using a 150w inverter.
It will take some time and will generate heat just like charging on 240v at
home.
I have charged the battery while travelling and have set it up in the morning when planning to travel most of the day.
Just make sure that the battery charger is not covered as it can get too hot.
The reason that I bought a 18v cordless drill is if the battery on the drill should ever fail I would then hard wire the drill to the vehicles battery.
Wayne
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Follow Up By: Mrbrush - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 18:35
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 18:35
18volt drill running on 12volts ?
I did`nt know that was possible ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 18:52
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 18:52
yeh, i would think that the variable speed control and other electronics would hate it.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 19:19
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 19:19
I'd expect it to work with with less go of course.
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Follow Up By: Member - Josh (VIC) - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 19:49
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 19:49
I bought a 12 vlot drill for reason above, worst case hard wire to vwchile battery. Thankfully have not had to use it for any major repairs, just fitting new toys to the car.
Josh
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Follow Up By: Chev-Patrol 6.5 V8 D - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 20:02
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 20:02
I've got an old Makita 7.2v cordless drill from about 1988. Obviously the battery died ages ago and I pulled it apart and hooked up a 12v cigi cord to it. It is a 2 speed drill and the 12volts gets it up and boogying nicely!!!!!
I've also done the same with a 12 volt Black and Dekka; same result, but doesn't rev as hard.
I don't use either of these regularly, but they're there in the shed.
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Follow Up By: Patrol22 - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 20:32
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 20:32
I run an old 14.4volt drill of my 12volt system and it works a treat - plenty of grunt and plenty of revs.
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Reply By: Shaz & Col - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 18:36
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 18:36
Mick,
both will work ok but the charger prefers pure sine wave , I charge my drill twice a week off my modified sine wave inverter
and the batteries are not quite as good as when I use the wall, so every 3 weeks or so I plug them in at
home and they always last longer. anything hard wired is better than a cig plug.
cig plugs are good for cig lighters and phone chargers and thats about it.
I do this for a job and am constantly replacing cig sockets and hard wiring the accessory . I`m still amazed at some of the accessories that come with a cig plug.
Col.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 19:22
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 19:22
Thanx Col. I am to. I hope I don't have to use them but you never know. Better to have and never need than......you know.
Cheers Mick
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Reply By: Inkbandit79 - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 19:17
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 19:17
Mick,
check out the dewalt range of cordless tool I use them because im a tradie as
well as a bush nut, but when i bought my latest kit they threw in a car charger that wont charge the batterie's in an hour but it dose charge them to there full capacity, the
tools are pretty tough to i backed over my last set with a two tonne trailer and only sqaushed the box they came in they went on for another 4 years.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 19:24
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 19:24
Looked at the Dewalt today. I have a Dewalt Nail gun already. A bit pricey for me. Understand the quality but not being a tradie makes them an expensive sundry. Looking more at the cheaper end of the market, Ryobi or Makita. Mick
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 20:30
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 20:30
DeWalt....Pfft.
Overpriced and overrated.
We belt the living daylights out of rechargeable stuff. Ryobi works
well for us. GMC was very good too before they went arse up.
Jim.
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Reply By: Member - Tony F (NSW) - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 21:16
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 21:16
Hi Mick,From my unqualified research I would never run anything like a computer or any other expensive thing on a modified sine inverter. It cost one person I know two Tv's and they are cheap.
Pure Sine is what you get out of the wall at different power levels depending on the size of the unit you have. I have a 12Volt De Walt as I do trade type work. Unstopable powerful and expensive.
I can run it off my battery as I have already gutted an old battery and hard wired it. If you are thinking of hard wire option your alternater puts out over 14 Volts so why not look at 12 or 14.4 Volt drills. 18 volt drills, in most cases are to heavy for regular repeticious use. A quality 12 or 14.4 will strain your rist if you are not consentrating. Why bother with 18 V.
If i suddenly have to go to a job and my battery is low I can hook it up to the 300 Pure Sine and it will be charged when I get there. It works for me.
Good Luck.
Tony F
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 21:53
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 21:53
Mick
I no this is not the answer but ..
I had an old 12 volt DC drill that the battery craped itself, so I pulled it apart, riped the battery out of it, crimped some terminal's onto the wires and then made up a 12 v dc extension lead for it.
Works a treat. So it's now a cord 12 v dc drill.
Cheers
Richard
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 00:00
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 00:00
And if you want the drill to run in reverse you just put the red clip onto the -ve terminal.... lol
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 00:23
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 00:23
No but, if I want to use it as a cord screwdriver I just flick the Little button over .. :-))
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Reply By: Benbro - Monday, May 11, 2009 at 23:14
Monday, May 11, 2009 at 23:14
Mick,
Either of your existing
inverters will work with plenty of margin, if they are capable of producing 300 Watts and 150 Watts as they claim. The charger only requires 75 Watts.
The charger will not care if the inverter produces a Pure sine wave or a modified sine wave because the charger almost certainly rectifies it anyway to produce DC. (some appliances do care)
Incidentally the tilde ~ represents a sine wave and is the symbol for ac (alternating current)
By the way the charger only delivers 34.2 Watts (18Vx1.9A) so the rest is converted to heat (around 40 Watts) so it will most likely run reasonably warm (it will be dissipating about the same as a 40 Watt light bulb when you are charging a completely flat battery).
Regards
John
(self confessed electronics expert)
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Follow Up By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 06:59
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 06:59
Thanks
John,
That's explained it concisely & clearly. Cheers Mick
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 14:39
Tuesday, May 12, 2009 at 14:39
What
John said is correct.
I use a 300watt pure sine wave inverter to charge my makita 18 volt drill for winding down the van legs and many other uses.
Have done so for 8 years without problems.
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