3000Kg Tow Vehicles

Submitted: Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 16:42
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Hi all, there are a few new 4x4 utes that specify 3000kg tow capacity. Colarado and Isuzu are two. Have any of you got any comments about real life towing scenarios with such as these? I currently tow about 2300kg with a Pajero but wish to upgrade to a 5th wheeler for long term travelling. Some of the dealers advertise Navara packages but there seems to be too many "lemon" reports on these.
What do you think?
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 16:50

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 16:50
If you're going to be doing it long term I'd be looking at an "F" truck. A 5th wheeler might be a little heavy for the others for long term use.
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Reply By: oz doc - Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 16:57

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 16:57
Hi Colcam42, we have an 08 Rodeo and tow a camper trailer. It has performed well so far. The only issue we have had is clearance when off road - would have been nice to have a lift on it on some occasions, but it didn't really hold us back. I'm not sure it would tow a 5th wheeler well. I don't think the standard suspension would be suitable for a start. Fuel economy whilst towing the trailer has been good in our opinion. Not sure if this helps. Doc.
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Reply By: Roy the boy - Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 17:42

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 17:42
Hi colecam42
A mate of mine has a F250 and tows a 5 wheeler with ease,good fuel economy and setup for long traveling.
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Reply By: D200Dug- Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 19:28

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 19:28
We just bought a rodeo 3lt TD and are pretty pleased with it so far.

It is still running in and we have not done any heavy towing yet only a 6x8 trailer to the dump with the remains of a mango tree. Probably about 1,000kg and it was like it was not there.

We have had a new suspension system put in including a lift kit as well as a DP power chip.

We are looking at towing a 2,000kg van and I have no real worries about the capabilities.

I am not sure about 5th wheel capabilities. It would need a suspension upgrade as the standard rear end was pretty soft.
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Follow Up By: D200Dug- Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 19:31

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 19:31
The only person I know who tows a 5th wheeler uses an F250

It is a BIG van though !

I would head to your van dealer and ask if they have any customers towing with one of these utes and ask if you can speak to them.
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Reply By: Member - Tony & Julie (FNQ) - Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 19:56

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 19:56
Colcam - I have a 2007 Rodeo that has the same motor as the Colarado. I feel it will not be good enough to tow the maximum weight for a long period. I have a 5.5mtr Plate Alloy with 140 4 stroke that I tow up the ranges and during the hotter months it feels the load & temperature rises on the gauges. You would basically be towing in 4th Gear all the time as you would destroy top gear quickly towing a heavy load for long periods.

Its a great car, but I have had to put a 3" lift and to give it clearance. I also did H/Duty springs and Air Bag Assist in the rear. I would say that the 2300kg would be the max I would like to tow for extended periods with this ute.

700k round trip is the most I have taken my boat, fuel consumption is up to 15-16ltrs 100k when towing. Cheers Tony
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 19:58

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 19:58
I find these towing capacities farcical.

The ute loaded will weigh 2500 plus 3000, thats 5.5 tonnes. These utes put out about 130 kW and 350 to 400 Nm in diesel form. That is simply not enough power ro move such a load.

Even the V6's at about 200 and 400 would be as slow as wet week.

I've got a 4L V6 Courier that puts out about 155 and 350 and loaded, towing a C/T of about 750 copes OK, but I wouldn't dream of sticking 3000 kg behind it.

Cheers,

Jim.
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Follow Up By: Rossc0 - Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 22:52

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 22:52
Have to agree with these comments.

I use two vehicles for towing.

A 2004 XR8 auto ute, it can legally tow 2300kg puts out 260kw, 500nm. Will comfortable tow 2300kg all day long at 100kph provided the trailer is loaded correctly. BUT uses 25l/100k when doing this (normally about 12.5l/100k). Being an auto it is also torque limited but is the only way you can tow 2300kgs with these. Manuals are limited to 1600kg due to clutch limitations.

A 1986 F100 4x4 with 351 Cleveland and 4 speed manual, ultra heavy duty clutch, on lpg or premium unleaded, about 230kw, 450nm. Legally can tow 3500kg but with the same trailer and weight as above at 90-100kph uses 22l/100k on premium or 25l/100k on lpg (same as with nothing on the back) and does it effortlessly. Also with 3500kg on tow it still uses 22-25l/100k and will still do 100kph.

You need torque to tow big trailers, good suspension and good brakes.

I see plenty of small 4x4 utes pulling big vans around here and most struggle to do 70kph on flat terrain get to a hill and they're doing about 40kph. Fine if they move over and let all the other traffic past but most don't.

If your going to tow a 5 wheeler at 3500kgs you should really consider a late model F250 diesel preferable the 7.3l it may cost a little more to buy and fuel but you will not be frustrated with towing the big weight behind a vehicle which is really marginal for long distance towing.

Cheers
Ross
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Reply By: landed eagle - Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 21:20

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 21:20
Have a look at this website,interesting reading and pics.

http://www.truelux.com.au/


nice vans and pretty sure I saw one attached to the tray of a Navara at Caulfield show.
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Reply By: Nomadic Navara - Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 23:24

Tuesday, May 26, 2009 at 23:24
You can find an interesting comparison here - Site Link

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Reply By: Serendipity of Mandurah (WA) - Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 09:14

Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 09:14
Hi Colcam

My father has recently purchased new a Mazda BT50 and a 5th wheeler. I have driven the Mazda without the van and certainly has the power - even for an automatic. It is rated to tow 3500kg. He has a 3600kg 5th wheeler but has 500kg loaded on the tow hitch so he is within towing specs. He has towed a caravan all his life and is really impressed with the towing of this new unit.

Looks huge being towed but the turbo Diesel Mazda BT50 do generate good power.

For me if I was to tow a 5th wheeler I would put it behind a V8 landcruiser ute. But of course it is a cost trade off for most people.

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Follow Up By: Dazmit - Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 10:23

Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 10:23
Hate to say it but as far as I know only the manual is rated at 3 tonne whereas the auto is 2.5 tonne - he might be up for gearbox rebuild before too long at that weight.
I also thought that the max tow weight(in the eyes of the law) is the total weight of van etc on it's own, i.e if it weighs 3.6 tonne then that is what he is trying to tow ??

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Follow Up By: Serendipity of Mandurah (WA) - Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 13:48

Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 13:48
You may be right.

I will check on his numbers. Pretty sure he was confident he was inside the limit. I agree with you about a new gear box with such a big load.

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Reply By: Stu-k - Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 11:58

Wednesday, May 27, 2009 at 11:58
As everyone has basically said...buy an F truck
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Reply By: Colcam42 - Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:39

Thursday, May 28, 2009 at 11:39
Thanks for the input fellows, pretty much what I was beginning to expect.

We are looking at Aussie made 5th wheel vans that are legal size, lighter than the imported but just the same, if you listen to the salesmen sometimes, one wonders which maths course they did at school. One salesman quoted an ATM of 4.9 tonnes for the 5ver and offered it with a Navara package.
Others seem to be advising that you ignore the bit on the tray when calculating GTM tow capacity. Of course, GVM is the critical figure, as is weight on the rear axle. Trying to compare trailers is difficult and an excel spreadsheet hasn't helped.
We'll keep working on it.
Thanks too for the several links attached to the posts.
Cheers,
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