two crank batteries ... two batteries in parallel for auxiliary use?
Submitted: Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 16:56
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Member - Myles F (QLD)
G’day, I have a 2006 Turbo Diesel 100 series which comes standard with two crank batteries wired in parallel. I have a piranha dual battery system giving me three batteries in all. I’m convinced that most of the time only one is required in our climate. Ignoring that I may be wrong and ignoring warranty issues, what would be wrong with having one dedicated start battery and wiring the two batteries in parallel for auxiliary use?
I’m a new member and hope this hasn’t been covered too many times before. All advice would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Myles.
Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 17:19
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 17:19
. . . . your single crank battery may not last quite as long as two sharing the current would.
The pajero 3.2 Diesel has two starting batteries in colder climates - one in Australia.
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Follow Up By: Member - ross m (WA) - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 17:31
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 17:31
AFAIK Mike ,most of the other Pajero diesels overseas are 24volt (at least in the older models) and they must have 2 x12v batteries.
It works
well in the cold but once the batteries are out of balance they are both useless
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 17:35
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 17:35
EVERY Electrical Manual I've seen for Pajeros is for 12 volt only.
It would be an enormous design, parts and documentation problem to have 24 volts electrical in some countries and 12 volt in others. Two batteries in parallel in some countries and a single battery in others is a trivial change.
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Follow Up By: Member - Shane D (QLD) - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 18:00
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 18:00
some older patrols had 24volt that where sold in Australia, this I know, not a big problem from nissan maybe not so much a problem for Mitsubishi.
I not saying i know about Mitsubishi, just saying overseas model MAY of had 24v
Shane
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Follow Up By: Member - ross m (WA) - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 18:11
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 18:11
I could be wrong but I have definately seen one advertised as 24V ,probably a late 80s JDM model.
Landcruiser,Patrol and Defender are all sold as 24v diesels overseas.
Toyota have only just stopped making 24v I hear
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Reply By: Member - ross m (WA) - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 17:28
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 17:28
The engine you have doesnt need much to start it,as it is a direct injected.
Many of the other older diesels which are similar to yours only have one cranking battery.
On the other hand, the 100 series may use a lot more power than older models with extra lighting etc.
It also depends on how big your batteries are.
I have 3 batteries which are all isolated so when I stop so I will always have at least one battery for starting
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Follow Up By: Member - Myles F (QLD) - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 17:46
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 17:46
G’day
Ross, Is yours the same engine as
mine? The two crank batteries are still the originals…. Not sure of the size. I wouldn’t be rewiring anything like lights etc and would have an emergency switch if the crank battery needed “jump starting”.
Does it all make sense?
Myles.
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Follow Up By: Member - ross m (WA) - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 18:22
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 18:22
I only have the lowly 1HZ ,but it is the same basic engine with indirect injection and no turbo and no computer.
I have 2 x 700cca batteries and a deep cylcle 100 amp which is recharged when Im driving or I can switch the fridge and lights over to one of the engine batteries
I cant help you with any more as Im not familiar with the 100 series set up. There are thing like the onboard computer,does it work ok with one battery?
You are probably best off consulting an auto electrican or 4WD
shop that knows dual battery set ups and 100 series.
I think what are want to do is possible ,but is there any real need to?
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Follow Up By: Member - Myles F (QLD) - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 18:52
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 18:52
No probably not. I have a very efficient eutectic fridge and I’m about to head off to the Simpson and surrounds for four weeks. I also gave a 130watt Kyocera solar panel so it probably isn’t necessary but if I have three batteries and really only need one for cranking it would be comforting to know that the other could be used as an auxiliary or cranking if necessary. Seems silly having three batteries and only one for auxiliaries.Thanks again for your input
Ross.
Myles.
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 19:21
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 19:21
Hi
I think you should also understand that cranking bats are not designed for deep cycle use & if you frequently dicharge it to say 50% it will have a much shorter life & MAY be not much good when you realy need .it
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 19:16
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 19:16
There is no problem with going back to a single N70 cranking battery - thousands of people do it with your model LandCruiser. The same 1HD-FTE motor in the 78/79series had a single cranker anyway.
If you split the batteries, the passenger side battery becomes the starting battery. The only thing coming off the pos terminal of the drivers side battery is the preheat element ( and some people ditch this too!).
Having said all that, I have the same setup in my 79series as you currently run. I like having paralleled cranking batteries. The vehicle starts so easily, the batteries last for ages. I run my fridge mostly off the 3rd battery (AGM) but if staying put for longer, will draw down on the twin crankers. Only downside of twin cranking batteries is if one battery suddenly dies, it will pull the other one down and you'll be left with one dead and one flat battery.
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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 19:48
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 19:48
Myles,
With a 130 watt Kyocera solar panel connected daily when camped, or attached to the roof when travelling, I don't think you will have any problems at all with just one good DC battery for the fridge.
The Alternator will be maintaining the charge in the 3rd (DC) battery while your travelling anyway!
Leave the two Cranking batteries as the vehicle manufacturer fitted them, they did it for a reason, to save money was not the reason, so it may have something to do with starting the vehicle :-)
Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 21:17
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 21:17
They did it to help starting in cold climates and both batteries are only about 400cca so one decent N70ZZ will kick it over in most of Australia except the Snowy in winter.
You can as I did put a relay in which hooks the two together when you turn the key to start
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 19:56
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 19:56
If you pm me I will give u a how to do it and some pics With all bits including a relay so that both batteries still start it.
Easy as.
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Follow Up By: Leroy - Sunday, May 31, 2009 at 19:41
Sunday, May 31, 2009 at 19:41
why not disclose the secret to all and post on the
forum?
Leroy
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, May 31, 2009 at 20:15
Sunday, May 31, 2009 at 20:15
Can if u want but didnt think anyone else was interested
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Reply By: Inkbandit79 - Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 20:16
Saturday, May 30, 2009 at 20:16
I now run Three batteries in my V8 100series, two crankers wired in parralel with a solenoid between them and a deep cycle as my third for the fridge, if your running gear like a winch, spotties,UHF, CD player and leave the doors open like i do having the second cranker is a bit of piece of mind, i have the solenoid wired with a switch in the cab so if one goes flat first the other will kick in when i press the button and turn the key at the same time, if i had of known about this system i wouldn't have gone and got the expensive ARB setup
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