New Pajero

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Anyone have experience with the new TD Pajero? I am interested in any info regarding the vehicle other than what comes in the brochures.

Whats it like to tow with? Consumption towing? Manual or auto? anything really

Looking to upgrade my vehicle

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Craig
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Reply By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:29

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 07:29
This is the place to ask. I have a petrol so can't answer specifics regarding consumption etc. There's literally thousands of them towing vans around for the Grey Nomads so can't be to bad.

The Auto is terrific for towing.

Generally just as good as any other 4B on the market, without the inflated price tag of some..

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Reply By: scubadiver - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:30

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 08:30
Can't comment on the new TD model but have the 06 deisel have been travelling around OZ for 3 years I am more than happy with all aspects of my Pajero.
I tow a 20' Coromal with ease and averaged around 13l per 100klm.

great Tug
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Reply By: paulnsw - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:16

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:16
had the last 3 models and never had a problem. Would not tow with an auto. Avg 13l/100km which is great with 19' 6" van. Power and torque is excellent and blows any similar sized vehicles away on the hills. Comfort when traveling and things like seat comfort blow all other 4Bs away. My die hard never die Toyota mate is totally disappointed in seat comfort, power up hills and fuel use with his current model Prado. Got ripped off by Toyota on for a lesser vehicle with less equipment as standard and crap seats
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Follow Up By: Member - Wayne David (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:41

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 10:41
paulnsw - Would you mind explaining why not towing with an auto?

I ask because when I test drove one recently (an auto) I was just so impressed & was told that the auto actually had advantages over manual. For example there was no loss of power changing between gears.

My main concern with auto probably stems from inability to clutch start & maybe concern with over heating auto transmission. But all reports so far on the NT Pajero have me rethinking this.

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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Thursday, Jun 25, 2009 at 20:54

Thursday, Jun 25, 2009 at 20:54
Exwifes nm auto has broken down and has been quoted $5000 for reco box.
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Reply By: Member - Mark (Tamworth NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 13:01

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 13:01
Towing a 1T CT 500m vertical climb over 3-4km up out of a gorge on a rough, slippery, loose track on a 42C day @ 5-10km/hour a few years ago with my NP auto petrol Pajero (in Low range) never had any problems with auto transmission overheating. The vehicle engine over heated though and we had to stop and let it cool down for 15 minutes.
My friends diesel Jackeroo towing similar set up had similar problems.
In two years with my NS diesel no problems though never subjected it to same test. Will know more in a month after towing our KK over a few thousand ks of dirt roads in central Oz.
From gearing management, auto Triptronic boxes are great. As others said above, they are a great 4WD as are a some other Japanese ones, but a few grand less. Same arguement over Waeco Vs Engel. Comes down to value for money.
Terracan owners would probably say the same thing about a Pajero, or Prado!
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 17:19

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 17:19
That's just it - you probably won't overheat the transmission (at least, not knowingly) but you may well overheat the engine. This is because the auto transmission is cooled by the engine cooling system. When towing a load up a long steep hill, the torque converter generates a lot of heat because of the friction in the oil for the fluid connection between the engine and transmission (ie. not a direct drive) and this heat is transferred to the engine, causing that to overheat. This is why an additional oil cooler is often recommended for autos used for towing, but not required for manuals.
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Follow Up By: psproule - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 20:31

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 20:31
More likely it was suffering blocked radiator tubes that plague the petrol NM/NP's. A proper cleaning (remove tanks and rod through the core) usually cures them completely from overheating, but then the problem only ever shows when they are really pushed (in my case towing 1.5T of ski boat up steep Snowy mountain passes in 40deg heat). Pajeros also have a separate trans oil cooler and an engine oil cooler.

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Reply By: Member -Dodger - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 16:19

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 16:19
I believe that a snorkrel is not advised for the latest model.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 17:19

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 17:19
Do you know why that is Dodg?

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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 20:28

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 20:28
According to an article from an owner of the NT Pajero 3.2td re the fitment of a Snorkel Both Arb & Safari plus Mitsubishi, say that as the diesel is on full boost most of the time the noise generated through the snorkel is horrendous.
See page 10 under the heading of Air Supply in the July Overlander.
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Reply By: kend88 - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 16:27

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 16:27
Don't want to start a bun fight, but from most accounts, most 4wd's auto's are apparently better to tow with than manuals, and most difinately the TD Pajero's, which I have never heard a bad word about..
Seems most people who say they prefer a manual are those that have never given the auto's a fair trial.
I can understand people having concerns about the lack of engine braking of an auto, but I would imagine that would only be a problem if you were in overdrive, which is not recommended in manuals or autos.

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Follow Up By: Member - Wayne David (NSW) - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 17:10

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 17:10
kend88 - When I demoed the NT Pajero diesel the salesman reckoned the auto was the bees knees over a manual. Reckoned computers make way better decisions than humans, etc, etc. As he was a 'salesman' I listened and wondered.

The really strange part was taking the car back to the yard after something like a 40 minute spin up and down some main roads in Brisbane. 'what's this proving?' I asked myself.

So apart from 4x4 magazine articles & opinions on web sites how can you actually get a good feel for something will set you back over $50,000?

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Follow Up By: tim_c - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 17:24

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 17:24
I think that's a good question to ask the dealer... unless you can find a mate who already has one and he can show you how well it will tackle what you have in mind, there isn't really any way to be sure. My Dad lamented the same thing and said "even if I could have paid to hire the vehicle for a day or two before committing, it would be money well spent"

Perhaps tell the dealer if it's really that good, even for towing, why doesn't he let you try it out, even with towing?! ;)
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Thursday, Jun 25, 2009 at 21:06

Thursday, Jun 25, 2009 at 21:06
You hiy the nail on the head Tim, hire one for the day , or two and try it out. You would be surprised how many people do exactly that. Although we only have auto prados for hire.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Thursday, Jun 25, 2009 at 23:33

Thursday, Jun 25, 2009 at 23:33
Thanks Pete, but where would you hire from? Most car hire places only have a very select range of vehicles (ie. only one or two different types in each category) and you usually can't pick specific make/model (just small/med/lge/4WD/etc.). The other drama is most hire cars probably wouldn't have a towbar for a towing test :)
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Friday, Jun 26, 2009 at 07:43

Friday, Jun 26, 2009 at 07:43
Some of ours do have tow bars Tim. If we have it in the yard, you can have what ever you want provided its not already booked of course.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Jun 26, 2009 at 14:42

Friday, Jun 26, 2009 at 14:42
No kidding? Surely not a regular Thrifty/Budget/Hertz? Can you give me a name of the company so I know where to hire from? I want to hire a LC76 wagon for a day or two sometime. (don't worry, having been asked directly you won't get moderated for "self promotion").
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Friday, Jun 26, 2009 at 18:19

Friday, Jun 26, 2009 at 18:19
I work for a Hertz Franchise, usually have Prados auto td, and man td Hilux, cannot help with lc76 I am afraid. Local Thrifty agent also has Pajs. Only no with us is extreme off road, insurance would most likly be voided.
You could try central booking and ask for that particular model. But be carefull their is often a breakdown in communication between them and us.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Jun 26, 2009 at 19:15

Friday, Jun 26, 2009 at 19:15
Thanks Pete, I'll keep it in mind when the time _Affordable_Storage_Drawers.aspx nearer.
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Reply By: Member - Michael P (QLD) - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 17:28

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 17:28
Hi Craig,
I have a 06 NP GLX 3.8 petrol auto. Have towed 17ft van over some pretty tough roads with no complaints whatsoever (maybe a bit thirsty). The choice of manual selection overcomes the earlier problems associated with auto. For comfort, towing & off road ability for my money they are hard to beat.
The few problems that I had Mitsubishi are 100% with service & warranty.
The NP had a dust problebm that has been resolved.
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Reply By: cyoung2203 - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 18:13

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 18:13
Thanks for the feedback all! I prefer manuals to auto's. I have never had an auto vehicle that hasnt had some issue with the transmission. Current vehicle is a perfect example. I had a manual NL GLS with luxury pack (before Exceed days) and it was terrific! Clutch did 160,000 k's before I sold it and hadnt given up despite a lot of 4x4ing, towing and city driving.

I heard the new Pajero transmission is very good but a tad unproven at this point (New brand of box from what I read).

Will test drive this weekend and come back with thoughts
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Follow Up By: Member - Wayne David (NSW) - Wednesday, Jun 24, 2009 at 09:33

Wednesday, Jun 24, 2009 at 09:33
Yes cyoung2203 please let us know your thoughts after your test drive. I for one will be very interested.

I have to admit that when there was only an auto to drive on my 'test drive' that I was feeling somewhat disappointed. A few kms down the road and it had me rethinking my take on auto's (old dogs & new tricks eh?).

Maybe you will feel likewise after your test. I wonder!

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Reply By: kend88 - Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 19:38

Tuesday, Jun 23, 2009 at 19:38
Very good point Wayne. I guess you would have to trust people, who you consider credible, who have moved from manual to auto. A bit of a risk though to pay out big money and find that it doesn't suit you. Must admit i had it forced on me in my 20's. A sporting injury to my knee (about 40 years ago when you just put up with it) meant that if I even simulated pushing a clutch in a couple of times my left knee puffed up and became very painful.
At the time I was very disappointed that I would have to drive an auto, but after a short time there was no way I would go back to manual. Now with the flash sequential or tiptronic (spelling?) auto's you have the best of worlds, auto or manual when you prefer, but no clutch to worry about.
I have probably had 10 or more autos in that time, some of them doing 300,000kms and have never (touch wood) had a problem with an auto transmission. Serviced every 100,000 km or so for around $150.
KenD
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Reply By: BenDiD - Wednesday, Jun 24, 2009 at 03:25

Wednesday, Jun 24, 2009 at 03:25
cyoung

I assume you are talking about the new NT model?

The NT auto now has an Aisin gearbox which is supposed to be a lot stronger, a 3000KG towing capacity and (unladen) highway consumption around 8L /100 klms. I have the previous model NS in TD and get 9 - 10 L /100 klms on the highway so I believe the claimed figures.

I love the semi - auto: its fantastic on and off road and I will never buy another mannual. I am happy to be corrected, but I would have thought that the small amount of play in the auto would stop the driveline backlash you can get when towing with a mannual.

Try the Vic Pajero club website - there are definitely a number of posts on this very point. See Pajero Forum.

Snorkels - there are snorkels available for both petrol (Safari) and diesel (TJM Airtec) NS model so I dont see why they wouldn't also fit the NT, unless for some unknown reason the air intake filter boxes and washer bottles have been moved.

Good luck!

Ben
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Follow Up By: Rhys - Wednesday, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:51

Wednesday, Jun 24, 2009 at 05:51
Safari have told there dealers not to fit snorkels to NT auto diesels because of excessive intake noise, caused Safari say because of a different variable vane turbo fitted, another reason I have seen given is that the auto keeps the turbo on boost more creating more intake noise, I have been trying to find out if anyone has had one fitted and how noisy it is, Rhys.
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Follow Up By: BenDiD - Wednesday, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:33

Wednesday, Jun 24, 2009 at 11:33
Rhys,

check out the Vic Pajero club website - there is extensive coverage of this issue.

Safari dont offer a snorkel for the diesel, only TJM Airtec does.

In normal driving of the NS TD the turbo hardly comes on. When you plant your foot you can hear it boost (a very cool whining / whistling sound) but only if the windows are down. And with the variable vane turbo on the auto it goes from low to high boost and back very quickly as conditions require.

Sorry I can't say what the induction noise is like in the NT, but I can't believe its that bad. If noise is going to be such a deciding factor I guess it might be helpful to think about what is really trying to be achieved with a raised air intake.

cheers

Ben

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Follow Up By: Rhys - Wednesday, Jun 24, 2009 at 18:49

Wednesday, Jun 24, 2009 at 18:49
Thanks Ben, I've posted a question on the Vic Paj forum but haven't received a reply from anyone with a NT to work out if the engine power and torque upgrade has made it worse.
The car will be used for offroad touring and I really don't want it to suck in a gutfull of water and destroy the engine far from home, let alone the cost of a rebuild,therefore the snorkel would be good insurance, Rhys.
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