Thursday Explorer Question

Submitted: Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:00
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Here is tonight's Australian Explorer Question:

What was the name of the vessel whose crew became the first recorded Europeans to make landfall on mainland Australia?

Name of Vessel: 3 Points

Bonus 2 Points:

What was their furthest point reached to the south?

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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:09

Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:09
Duyfken

bonus Q.. dunno.....

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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:14

Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:14
Well done Ed, Duyfken...3 Points and heading up the points table...:))





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Reply By: Jedo_03 - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:19

Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:19
A1 Duyfken Capt Willen Janszoon Netherlands (Near Wiepa 26/2/106)
Q2 Cape Keerweer (“Turnabout”), south of Albatross Bay

Send lollies instead of points...
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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:31

Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:31
2 Points Jedo Well Done!!! Sorry have no lollies :(

It is hard to tell wether Jansz or Janszoon is he correct surname, I'm not sure.

Ernest Favenc says in his book, "The name of the captian of the Duyfhen - the Columbus of the south - has not been preserved."
I guess Jansz (or Janszoon's) records must have been lost until after the book was published in 1888.

If anyone has pictures of Landfall Point, which looks pretty inaccessable by 4WD on Google Earth, or the general area of Albatross Bay, near Weipa Queensland, please put them up.

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Reply By: cronullagirlgoesbush - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:22

Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:22
Duyfken

"The Duyfken made landfall on the Australian continent at Pennefather River, at 11º45'S, before continuing south across Albatross Bay until it reached Cape Keer-Weer, where it turned and retraced its route. " from the National Library of Australia "south land to new holland"
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Follow Up By: cronullagirlgoesbush - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:24

Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:24
thanks for the question i thought it was over in WA so I've learnt something new tonight.
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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:33

Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 20:33
Thanks for your contribution cron, and I'm glad you've learnt something new.


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Reply By: Jedo_03 - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 21:41

Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 21:41
Equinox...
few weeks ago i shopped in Woolies and earned 'points' - spent $100 in the meat dept and 'earned' 16c off per litre of fuel...
Trouble is...
Every time the missus goes to Woolies she puts her rewards card in and that 16c per litre off is now 'burried' under all the subsequent transactions... Seems I will NEVER get to the 16c discount as it has an expiry date..
Was why I asked for lollies instead of points...
Have looked (in the past) re Captain Janszoon...
The suggestion is that the 'full-stop' after Jansz. implies the suffix 'oon'..
Now I'm no scholar of Middle-Age Dutch Language - but that is the suggestion made by Academics...
An interesting question: If the Dutch landed in Australia first - why did they not claim it as Dutch Territory..?? Were they not as possessive as the Brits..??
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Follow Up By: Member - Longtooth (SA) - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 22:19

Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 22:19
This is precisely why I no longer use the Woolies reward card. I found that to get the best discounts the paper voucher is the way to go. I lost quite a few decent discounts because of this and suggest paper is best.
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Follow Up By: equinox - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 22:21

Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 22:21
He didn't claim it because he thought it was part of New Guinea.

If he had explored more than the 200 miles or even went around Cape York things may have been different...



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Follow Up By: Member - The Bushwhackers -NSW - Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 22:27

Thursday, Jul 09, 2009 at 22:27
Glad he didnt go any further then, we would all have accents like Tony Greig :-))
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Follow Up By: Member - Kingsley N (SA) - Friday, Jul 10, 2009 at 17:38

Friday, Jul 10, 2009 at 17:38
Jedo,

I wouldn't be too worried about the 16c credit. The rewards card automatically uses the highest value discount first. So, as long as you have not gone past the 30 day expiry you will get the BIG discount when the card is scanned. Unless, of course, you have two cards and hand in the wrong one!

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Reply By: Flywest - Friday, Jul 10, 2009 at 22:46

Friday, Jul 10, 2009 at 22:46
Sorry I don't buy it.

There's pretty good evidence the Portuguese made landfall in northern WA Kimberly's in the 1500's well ahead of the Dutch.

Peter Tricket's book "Beyond Capricorn" details it pretty well and cannonades recovered by the Australian navy from one of the ships in his expedition lost there, are in the maritime museum in Canberra according to the book.

Dirk Hartog made landfall at the Island named after him (Dirk Hartog Island/shark bay WA in 1616).

Later in the 1618? after Hartog, Pelseart made landfall at the Houtman Abrolhos off Geraldton, in Batavia - where the whole ship was lost - he sailed on to the spice islands in the ships longboat and returned 9 months later to recover the remainder of the crew not slain by Cornelius.

Within a couple decades another Dutch vessel was sunk at the Abrolhos and the survivors built the first "Australian Built Boat" named the Gunn abd sailed it to Batavia in the Spice Islands.

The Chinese claim with good authority to have landed here prior to the Portuguese.

http://www.1421.tv/

1421 - The year China discovered the world - Home Page

I think a LOT of accepted history will have to be rewritten as we find out more about what other nations were doing in this area in the 1400's and 1500's before the Dutch started to make landfall here in the 1600's.

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Follow Up By: Flywest - Friday, Jul 10, 2009 at 22:51

Friday, Jul 10, 2009 at 22:51
Beyond Capricorn
Trickett, Peter
Publisher: East Street Publications
ISBN-10: 097511459X
ISBN-13: 9780975114599
Series:
Binding: Paperback
Year Published: 2007
Australian Maritime History
In Beyond Capricorn, Peter Trickett challenges the commonly held view that the European discovery of Australia and New Zealand was made first by the Dutch, followed later by Britain’s Captain James Cook. Trickett argues the remarkable claim that in the year 1522 – a century before the Dutch and 250 years before Captain Cook - the Portuguese sailed past Fraser Island and into Botany Bay, around Wilson’s Promontory, and as far as Kangaroo Island before returning to their base in Malacca via the North Island of New Zealand.

Drawing from primary and secondary historical sources, archaeological evidence and stories handed down through Aboriginal oral tradition, Peter Trickett tells a story of espionage, revenge and secret voyages made by the Portuguese to corner the fabulously rich spice trade in the east and find the islands of gold alluded to by Marco Polo. Secret voyages that resulted in the discovery of Australia and New Zealand almost 500 years ago.

Beyond Capricorn is a compelling account of how for a brief moment in the 1520s Australia and New Zealand came close to becoming Portuguese outposts in the southern seas.
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