New 'Cruiser 79 concerns

Gday Mick,
Toyota charge what they like because theres no competition and they have had a waiting list since the the V8 was released and the 4.2 GU was dropped.

cheers
phil

Hey Mick

Got a link to a website with any photos of the new dash etc - Toyota website still showing old model


Cheers


A

Dead right Phil. Nissan shot themselves in the foot removing the 4.2.

"Age", I have only got a Toyota Dealer document that gives a drawn schematic of the new interior. Looks good compared to the old...think late 90's Sth American model Prado equivilent lol.

Cheers Mick

A friend who worked out in the station country always told me that for the best deal in australia on a toyota ute was to go to Black Toyota, i think in Roma.

There are plenty of people who dont like fang dangles like air bags, so my guess is that this is why the dealer was using it as a selling point.

Cheers Pesty

Howdy Fred,

a most interesting couple of months. Got a couple up but will start again in earnest over the next few weeks. Made a few discoveries and covered some very remote territory. Enjoyed 60 outback sunsets so that's gotta be good.

Cheers mate.

Mick

"Any other compressed container i.e. fire extinguisher - needs regular maintenance checks"

There is no compressed container in an airbag system. It is inflated by a chemical reaction. Basically a small explosion.

David I think you are highly misinformed regarding ABS and air bags.

Cheers Drew

David

My line of work takes me to numerous car accident scenes...usually high speed related. Messy? of course but none messier than frontal impacts where no airbag is deployed.

Even with a seat belt on at 110Kph if you impact another object coming the other way at the same speed you hit at 220kph. Neither your seat belt or air bag will likely save you at that velocity but even at lesser speeds your seat belt will hold you in place just nicely as the crushing impact on the front end forces the windscreen closer to head...which by the way is being flung forward by the force of the impact. The difference between a broken neck and your head going into the windscreen will always be the airbag.

Even if your head doesn't hit the screen, the energy forcing your head forward will cause the bridge of your nose to hit the top of the steering wheel, pushing your face backwards into your head. I've seen it a few times.

I'll take the airbag option anytime and just hope i never have to use it.

And by the way, one of the reaons I believe Yota are putting the airbags in is to try and recoup the lost sales in the mining and other sectors because of the Occ Safety issues....so I am led t believe anyway...alway I am no expert in that field.

Drive safe.

Do they use a good fuel additive in every tank to help with the poor quality of our diesel fuel. My 76 has 50000k on it now with no dramas with the injectors. A little blue smoke at the moment on startup but I think this is more to do with the cold weather, I hope.

Yeah some have used fuel additives but to no avail. Nothing strange with the blue smoke.
Night

May need to look up the price, heres the part number 23670-59015

Really Rob , $2600 for the injectors , the other day someone was saying that Prado ones were $1000 each and I was in shock.

Better stick to the simple reliable and maintainable petrol , although I did get a cost of $149 once for an injector and I thought that was tough !

I have written a bit on the "series 1" V8 cab chassis" in other posts. Like David I actually own and drive one, a 2009 model bought in March. Given it is mid July if I was buying now I would have a look at the new model. I take it on trust that the statements of a production run in July are correct. I have no information on this.

As I have said before elsewhere the "series 1" vehicles I know of have been pretty trouble free. It is my view that the injector problems have been exaggerated out of all proportion. The Toyota mechanic I know has said there have been a few in with injector issues. This is traced back to the use of inferior fuel. The injectors are fairly easy to service, apparently a lot less costly than other Euro IV compliant common rail diesel engines around. He did mention a price for injector service and it did not worry me. It was a lot less than mentioned in the earlier posts. This is the price of meeting Euro IV with indifferent quality local diesel fuel.

I heard of the "farmer" reverting to his old model. I think that story has been around for 12 months or so. I would have liked to have bought one of them cheap given it a good service and have a good vehicle and saved twenty grand.
Urban myth? Rural myth? Who was the farmer, from which property and exactly when? Anything less than that sort of info and the story is not credible.
Maybe a silly observation but if he was concerned with the rear track being narrower why did he not fit spacers. No legal problem when on farm.

I researched all these stories intensively before buying and it was only after talking to the mechanic that I went ahead and ordered - off a different dealer as it turned out. Oh he mentioned another "problem" with the motor. One case of a 200 series motor breaking a ring. Shock horror the almost same engine in 200 series breaks rings!

Where I am the blokes fall into two groups. Those who have one and those who want one. The wanters fall into two groups. Those who praise them and those who knock them - a type of jealousy perhaps. This observation was made by a respected person in the village who is not a mechanic and had observed the reaction to my vehicle from the locals. I was rather surprised as to me it was just another cruiser. There are lots and lots of the older six cylinder model and now 3 of the V8s close by and a few more out on the properties.

Supply and demand. I got mine at a good price. The dealers apparently stopped ordering from Toyota last year as the global problems struck and then were left in a position of demand picking up again and a shortage of stock occurring as there was not much coming through from Toyota because dealers had not ordered earlier. This hiccup may have passed by now as global economic things seem to be settling down.

Final thought on this done to death subject. Why do the owners of the V8 cruiser love them so much? I have yet to come across an owner of one knocking the vehicle.

I second most of what Flynnie says.

I have a 2007 76 series GXL with 65000klm and no problems to date.

And it amazes me how many people ask about the vehicle (the wagon is still a very uncommon sight), and then want to tell me about all of the problems they (the vehicles) apparently have. Last time that happened I told the bloke that the ones who knock them are probably just jealous because they don't have one.

None of these comments have come from owners of of the new V8's by the way.

I have one...4.5V8 cab chassis.....I love it to bits ..I trust it and Toyota implicitly and am sick of all the Bullsh*t about it from people who dont own one......mine has 27k on the clock...two serious trips off road trips ..many more to come

so!!!

bungarra

I can't wait till mine gets old enough to trade in, just to get a newie.

But might have to buy the missus one .. mmm that way we will never have to travel alone.. LOL

Cheers

Richard

Hi Rob

Just a follow up on the 3 blokes who said they paid $2600 for a new injector. How come they did not have them replaced under warranty and not pay anything. I wonder if they extended the truth a bit to you. I have heard of injectors being replaced but always under warranty and I would suspect from poor quality fuel.

David

In New Zealand there has been problems with new Toyota 70 series v8 diesel engines.
I can confirm that v8 uses oil I heard of a early(07year ) v8s using sump full in 500km to 1000km, there is a modification out, piston ring problems apparently and they do not "run in" and end up with glazed bores, you have to scream to get is fixed (heard from toyota mechanic in wellington)
Also big problems if you get water in the diesel(typical from a farmers tank or bad batch of fuel ordinary diesel can have 500ml in 1000litres stanard, combine this with condensation in a fuel tank and you are heading for trouble!!), fuel filter system are not up to it and engines may need entire fuel system replaced from the tank forward to the engine rail up to $40000(at present for everything including 8 injectors etc!!!), NOT A WARRANTY PROBLEM according to Toyota NZ, hi luxes (latest) are doing this also but cheaper $18000 only. Heard if 3 in canterbury and toyota tech guy admited he knew of at least NINE more!!!, people trying to get help from toyota to fit extra fuel filters in the fuel system but they are not interested!!!
Buy a racor fuel filter funnel for your diesel when you fill up!! and maybe someone will come up with a racor or simliar "extra filter/water seperator in the fuel Line as a after market feature
ALso foresty gangs have used them and 3 engines have gone around 60000km
Toyota are denying anything and would not honor warranty until pressured by the treat of publicity in car magazines etc
get some water into your rail and it "blows" the injector tips and causes rough running and loss of power, better to take precautions as above

Hi Sasha

Your making my petrol engine sound better and better

sasha you make a lot of noise and inuendo in your post and start with "I can confirm" and then you appear to be stating "facts" as you heard them.....pity you are not able to state "as i have personally experienced them"..your post may have some credibility then (perhaps)

I do own one and I do know a lot of others that do as well.........and accordoingly your post has no cedibility with me and I guess with a lot of others who may actually have some first hand experience.

I personaly know a couple of owners that did have some oil burning issues and they informed me it was a gasket issue that was readily fixed by Toyota...(my only bit of hearsay that I am prepared to pass on that is not from my own experience)

perhaps I am not a typical farmer as my farm tanks hold diesel not water

From what I have been able to find out the 2007 oil consumption problem on some early ones was to do with scavenger pump issues and not piston ring problems. Could be wrong but found this on Google searches, credibility unknown. Am I wrong to think it is 2009 and to think that some early problems are now corrected. My 2009 model does not use oil, does not blow turbochargers etc etc. The others I know of are mainly 2008, one might be a 2007. Must ask the owner next time I see him.

The Manual that came with my vehicle stresses the need for diesel without water. I am not a mechanic but I would hazard an opinion that if you hit any common rail system with water you will have problems. So if one fills up out of industrial or dodgy farm tanks with lots of water there will be problems. This is not a Toyota problem but more an issue of abuse of the equipment. Even my diesel ride on mower manual warns on this and as far as know it does not have a common rail engine.

There is a light on the dash of the landcruiser that warns if the fuel filter has picked up too much water and it requires IMMEDIATE attention and damage will follow if it is ignored (that is my interpretation of the manual). It is not hard to clear it. The manual explains how. Yes I did take the time to read it. The manual states the filter cannot cope with an abnormally high amount of water in the fuel. That said I do know personally of one bloke who did use pretty dodgy fuel and had some rough running that was fixed. It did not cost much either. It was not a big deal.

I prefer to fill up at truckstops and not out of drums. If filling out of drums, is it not standard practice to use a filter that will catch water and other muck? If this is not done then don't whinge about the consequences.

The common rail engines do require cleaner fuel and better filters than before. This is a bit of a disadvantage, no doubt. Offsetting this disadvantage is better power, better fuel economy and cleaner emissions.

Love my cruiser!

Sorry if i upset people, I am only trying to help, the person that knows about the fuel problem is a friend in the FWD club who has a Landcruiser and loves them, he sells fuel filters/systems to farms, trucking firms, car dealers, industrial sites all over New Zealand etc and was only reporting what he knows and has learned over time, I thought by passing this on it might help some people. as someone stated the new engines are not as "bullet proof" as the old ones, thats all. If using fuel from a dodgy tank people should be aware thats all, seems to me people take things very personally instead of in the spirit in which it is intended.

I doubt anyone got upset. Cruiser owners have thick skins and only one eye. So they can take it.

I noticed this thread was becoming a bit polarized between owners and non owners.

Though I would disagree that the fuel problems are a Toyota problem I think it is vital that people changing over to the newer vehicles, all brands, realize that they may have to be an awful lot more conscious about fuel quality than they ever been before.

Sasha, your post is based on hearsay, and the over use of exclamation marks gives readers the impression that you are standing toe to toe, shouting in their face.

Your comments, presented as fact, do not gel with the experience of owners of these vehicles.

I own a 08 cruiser ute have had no dramas with it at all, done 45000 in her now, love it to death, any one that has visited a town with a Rio minesite will attest how many 70-76 series cruisers that run around the area, my wife works at Tom Price Light Vehicles on the mine site they have had no dramas with the 200+ odd 70-76 series vehicles that run around the area, i reckon thats saying something especially being mine vehicles, and copping a flogging.

One thing is for sure, head up north where people really need a reliable 4wd and it's all cruiser country, mostly diesels and of all eras. Heaps of 70s and 76s, 100s, 200s, 80s, 60s running around. Then mabye a few hiluxes and patrols getting around. Toyota are as popular as ever and it seems that problems even with the new V8 are few and far between other than contaminated fuel. They really have the remote markets to themselves.

Dave