caravans exploding

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Hi all
Been back a week from a great trip to ningaloo national park, we hired a mercedes motor home, didnt have time to tow the camper over there. on our way back down from exmouth not sure how far down we were, but there was a caravan on the side of the road, no car insight to tow it and it looked like the caravan had just exploded before we got there a few cars had pulled up to have a look it didnt seem like there had ben an accident no twisted draw bar or dents in the side of the van but half the side was missing and most of the luggage and contents of the van were all over the side of the road. can anyone shed some light on how this could have happened or does some one know what happened.
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Reply By: oldtrack123 - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 20:54

Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 20:54
Hi
We did the big trip in "68" roads where pretty rough then, but we saw several remains of vans in same condition. we reckon that they had just shaken to bits.
The way some idiots drove with vans ,it was very likely to be the reason.
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Reply By: oldpop - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 20:59

Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 20:59
Hi Dune Crawler

Wind gusts from on coming trucks and road trains at high speed
happens a lot on the Nullarbor

Regards

Oldpop
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Follow Up By: Member - Brenton W (SA) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 21:03

Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 21:03
thought that could have been the cause but it looked like a very new smart looking caravan, it puts me off going from my camper trailer to a caravan if that can happen!!!!!!!!!!!
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:49

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:49
How does it happen "a lot"????

Where are the stories and facts.

Rumours only OldPop !!






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Follow Up By: oldpop - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:21

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 17:21
Dunco

Have not seen many myself
but work in the truck industry just reports from drivers that do the long hauls
Thats all

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Reply By: Neil & Pauline - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 21:01

Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 21:01
Seen results dozens of times south of Perth. It happens when van pass a road train, usually with stock crates and there is a strong cross wind. The van on down wind side is the other criteria.
I only ever observed one make of van that had exploded over the years. I don't know if it was that most of vans sold in Australia were that make or it was a problem with the make.

Sure makes a mess.

Neil

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Follow Up By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 21:46

Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 21:46
Dozens???

teege
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 21:49

Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 21:49
Funny how no road train travel on the roads south of Perth???
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 22:26

Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 22:26
Richard,
If you check your categories you will find that any vehicle of this configuration (Prime mover, trailer, dolly, trailer.) is classified as a road train.
These are allowed on certain roads in the South West

Of course above Geraldton (I think it is) there can be added dolly's and trailers.

Down south most rigs are 'B doubles (Prime mover, trailer, trailer) classified "Long Vehicle" and these rigs are big enough to pop a caravan too.

Disco.
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 23:37

Thursday, Jul 23, 2009 at 23:37
Thats called clutching at strews.. LOL
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 00:55

Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 00:55
Richard,


No.................... It is not clutching at strews (I presume you meant straws)

It is being bloody pedantic..............!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LOLOL

Disco
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Follow Up By: Neil & Pauline - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:46

Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 02:46
Road Trains up to 36 metres are permitted on certain roads in the south west & the Perth - Albany Hwy is one such road.
If anyone is towing a van on a windy day be careful when passing trucks generally.
A road train heading Nth at 100kph, a caravan heading Sth at 100kph and a 30kph cross wind makes for for plenty of confused air.

Neil
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Follow Up By: Member - Fred G NSW - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 06:52

Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 06:52
So Neil, when you say "Dozens" we can assume that you have seen at least more than 24 of these events, south of Perth????
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Follow Up By: Neil & Pauline - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:37

Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:37
At Least. Lived 60 years adjacent to the Hwy and saw results most years.

Neil
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Follow Up By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:30

Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:30
Fred
Don't bother - just have some kind thoughts for poor old Pauline.

teege
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Follow Up By: Fred G NSW - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:48

Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:48
hahahahahahaha
Love to hear his fishing yarns LOL.
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Follow Up By: Nomadic Navara - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 20:01

Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 20:01
How come thatonly happens in the west. I have not seen or heard of it happening here in the east.

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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 20:03

Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 20:03
Drarn it Disco

I used spell check as well.. :-)
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 20:11

Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 20:11
Drarn it

Pity you didn't use Pendantic Check as well

Lol

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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:52

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:52
Dozens ?????

Rubbish !!

If that was the case there would be debris all over the highways...I have done two laps and only seen the odd smashed van and always from a collision, or a rollover, never from a truck going the other way !!!

Stop spreading rumours





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Follow Up By: cityslicker - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 22:14

Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 22:14
A lot of defensive people here.

I've seen one on the nullabor a few years back. The people were still checking the van over and looked really shocked. The roof was half peeled back with no other apparent damage.
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Reply By: Trevor R (QLD) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 14:01

Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 14:01
On the fridge side? could the gas fridge have caused such and "explosion"? I have seen the result of the gas bottle on the front of the van go off and that is not something I wish upon any traveller.

Cheers, Trevor.
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Follow Up By: Hairy (NT) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 14:59

Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 14:59
Yeah.....running a gas fridge while driving was my guess too. Or a stove left on.

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Reply By: Member - ross m (WA) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 20:19

Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 20:19
Maybe a road train can cause a low pressure system as it goes past,leaving the van with high pressure inside and thus causing it to explode;)
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:53

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:53
With the Low pressure system and High pressure, wouldn't it rain ?

:-)




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Reply By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 09:22

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 09:22
This story has surfaced before and I think it may have been the same perpetrator and the comment that it is only one van make...I presume it is the Jayco knocker in another guise..., the same guy that reckons Jaycos are made of fridge panels.

Interesting really because they have only used the fibreglass, vacuum bonded panels for the last 5-6 years. Before that, they were made pretty much the same way as other vans in Australia. I terms of panel strength, the vacuum bonded panels are stronger than timber framed aluminium but it depends I suppose, how well the panels are held together at the joins of the roof.

After all that raving..., can anybody tell me, or show me ANY evidence of this actually happening to a fibreglass Jayco Sterling or Heritage...??? Having not had any experience yet of travelling where road trains operate, I am getting concerned as I will be going around the block next year.

By the way, I have asked Jayco directly about this and, not surprisingly, they said they have not heard of any such accident/incident.
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:56

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 11:56
Don't concern yourself with it Don. All rubbish !!

On my second trip and seen no facts relating to anything like this.
The road trains will give off some wind now and then, but so do B Doubles and normal Semis.

It would have to be a LOT of wind to cause a van to explode mate !!!
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Follow Up By: disco driver - Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 01:47

Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 01:47
Sorry to disillusion you guys, but they were not jayco's in the instances I witnessed happen a few years ago..

In both cases they were Viscount Ultralites or Aerolites of about late 70's-early80's vintage. They were constructed using polyfoam sheeting bonded to aluminium exterior sheeting and veneer panel interior lining, no framing to speak of. (there are not many left on the roads now).

In these two cases the passing trucks were long high rigs, 1 a semi train, the other a furniture pan van.
What they did have in common was the absence of the above cab air deflectors seen on many rigs now.

From my experience, these large units (without the air deflectors) create enormous wind effects on passing vehicles, Both those going the same way and those going in the opposite direction.


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Follow Up By: Member - Brenton W (SA) - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 17:52

Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 17:52
Hi Don

I wish it was a rumor, but i saw it with my own eyes, it wasnt a Jayco i didnt want to say what brand it was over the net didnt want to put fear into anyone, but it was a reputal brand to say the least, as i said i have never seen it before just wondered how it could have happened. i was disscusted by the people who had pulled up to have a look but they looked like vultures waiting for us to leave the site so they could pillfer, as the owners had gone, for help i presume.

Brenton
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:59

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 13:59
Bahh utter rubish Im not that old but I certainly remember the days when these vans were supposedly made.
-Trucks rarely had wind deflectors
- they went waaaay faster - not 100kph speed limmiters for them then
- roads were alot narrower, Your typical highway was about3/4 of the width they now are

and yet even with all that they wernt exploding back then?
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Follow Up By: Dunco (NSW) - Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 16:58

Wednesday, Jul 29, 2009 at 16:58
Brenton...

Did you SEE it with your own eyes, or SEE the after affect.

After all, people will tell any story to say it wasn't their fault :-)




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Reply By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:30

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:30
Thanks Dunco, pretty much as I suspect, but I do get tired...(and a little concerned it may be true) of all the negative comments.

The wind that does get me and give me a fright sometimes is that when a B Double comes up behind at pace. Nothing I can't deal with so far but as I said, I have not yet encountered a road train.

Cheers,

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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:36

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:36
$h*t happens................

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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:51

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:51
Have read that several times and due to the police stuffing up on several counts and a very dodgily balanced van (see pic of it with no jockey wheel) it was a disaster waiting to happen.

Any way it didnt explode it was the Ëxploder" towing it that had all the trouble.

Seems to have been a case of poor driving coupled with what looked like a badly balanced van.

Mine wouldnt head for the trees it would drop straight on the road and start ploughing with 305kg ball weight..


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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:53

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 12:53
Where exactly was it on the road as 2 of us have just been to Exmouth in the last 10 days and never saw any evidence on the roadside.

If as you say stuff was everywhere something would have been visible I would have thought.
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Follow Up By: Member - Brenton W (SA) - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 18:02

Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 18:02
Hi Graham
I think it was on the 11 th july, cant exactly remember where it was in regards to distance, it was closer to Carnarvon than Exmouth was late in the afternoon but not sure when the van had the mishap the van was heading south, as i said i couldnt work out what had happened no physical damage to the van other than the right side of blown out and $h!t all over the place draw bar was ok but no owner there just the van.

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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 21:32

Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 21:32
In 30 years I've seen the results of it happening twice, once between Camooweal and the NT/QLD border and once between Fitzroy /crossing and Derby/Broome. Both times the side was sucked off the van as it passed a semi/roadtrain going the opposite direction. No idea of the brand of van or even if they were the same brand.
On both occasions fellow travellers stopped to help the owners pick up the contents from the road.
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Reply By: TravelinAround - Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 20:07

Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 20:07
Hi All,
I’ve been up and down the West Coast since I was a boy and the Perth to Coral Bay route for the past 5 years and can’t say that I have seen this happen, although on our last trip to Coral Bay in October 08 we did see what I could only say was the burnt outline of a car or caravan on the road between Coral Bay and Exmouth, no evidence of what it was but a definite sign that something had burnt to the ground.
I have seen a campervan on the side of the road in flames, gas leak we thought and another campervan with its roof 100meters behind it after a Semi past it from the other direction so I can’t say it has not or will not happen.
I think later model caravans have strict testing done before the model goes into production to prevent this and it would be a freak thing if it did happened.
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Reply By: Russ n Sue - Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 23:12

Sunday, Jul 26, 2009 at 23:12
Can't say much about caravans, but last November on a particularly windy day in Victoria, a truck going the other way caused a windscreen moulding to tear clean off our car. It went with a hell of a bang and gave us a bit of a fright.

I could imagine that some of the older style caravan windows might part company with the van in similar conditions, and perhaps even side panels.

There was one memorable road fatality during the eighties when I lived at Karratha. A vehicle left the road and crashed. Witnesses stated that the car swerved violently as a roadtrain passed in the other direction and then left the road. The police recommended to the coroner that the death be recorded as accidental, caused by turbulence from the truck and the prevailing wind.

If anyone knows the area, just south of the Robe River on the North west Coastal Highway, the easterly winds during winter can be particularly nasty and I have no trouble believing that this, combined with a passing truck could be very dangerous. In this case the vehicle was a Mitsubishi L300 van.

Cheers

russ.
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 19:25

Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 19:25
Saw a poptop that had lost its top the other day at eucla, made a mess of the van.
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 20:31

Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 20:31
Saw a poptop that had lost its top the other day at eucla, made a mess of the van.
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