12v TV
Submitted: Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:38
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DriverDan
We have purchased our caravan and we're having it set up with a solar panel (the van is due to be delivered in a couple of weeks). We have a Teac 19" TV that has 12v capability. There is a cigarette lighter type plug and and antenna plug where we want the TV to sit - just wondering if all we do is plug in and watch - anything that simple just can't be right! Also, we'd like to wall mount the TV and there is a ply panel at the foot of each bed (singles) - would this be strong enough to hold it while traveling or is there a wall mount where you can easily remove the TV for travel days?
Reply By: Member - Malcolm (Townsville) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:49
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:49
Yes it is as simple as that. If you look at the 240V plug pack you will see it converts from 240V down to 12V to plug in TV.
I had a HICON with a DVD player in my van. My Satellite STB also worked off 12V. That is until I sold the van.
Malcolm
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Reply By: DriverDan - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:58
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 09:58
Ok, the TV didn't come with a plug pack - I'll need to purchase one. I'd appreciate a recommended one.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:04
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:04
They normally come with one.
Mine did. Ask at the
shop where you bought it why it didnt.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:01
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:01
Depends on the current draw of the TV If its a Winegard socket they arent rated very high.
AS far as mounting it is concerned a single thickness of ply is not strong enough for that.
I have a 15in mounted on a swinging arm mount and it is bolted through a 12mm thick MDF panel with a 3mm steel plate on the other side to spread the load.
There is a device that you can buy that the TV just slides down into and you can remove it . Its like those lid removers you can buy and has a piece that fits on the TV and slides into it.
We have a thick piece of foam we put under the TV onto one of the no slip sheets and it sits there OK
DONT lie it flat as LCDs are meant to be kept upright.
and dont hold it hard down onto a shelf as the vibrations will kill it.
My friend who knows best did this and killed a new one in less than two months. It just shook to bits on rough roads
Have a look on Coast to Coast RV's site I think they sell them.
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Follow Up By: Member - barry F (NSW) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:21
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:21
Hi Graham,
You have just spoilt my day!! I have just finished a storage compartment to store our 12" flat screen lying flat! It sits in a drawer on a Poly Styrene cradle with a layer of foam rubber under the cradle to try & absorb vibration. It is a snug fit which does not allow any movement. We have an on road van & seldom get off the bitumen.
So, in that situation do you still reckon that they would be damaged if stored for travel lying flat? Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:34
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:34
Entirely up to you
I went to help my son when he bought an LCD tv and was going to lie it flat in the back of the cruiser.
The salesman was most emphatic that we were not to do that at the expense of voiding warranty as they are not meant to be laid flat and always vertical.
It is something to do with the stuff in the screen being upset by doing that.
A PLASMA is OK flat apparently but NOT AN LCD .
No scientific reason given just the above.
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:46
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:46
Wonder why LCD Laptop screens are not also affeced when travelling laid flat ?
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Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:52
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:52
A good point Mainey which I cant explain except to say that laptop screens have a protective cover on them that maybe the Tv's dont.
Am merely repeating what I was told when buying a $3500 TV so intend to follow advice.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:15
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:15
Just a thought - laptops are designed to be used on the go, TV's generally are not (although you'd expect a 12v one should be)
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:35
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:35
Different sort of "on the go"if you get what I mean.
A laptop is designed to be used in lots of different situations whereas a TV is designed to sit in one place and look pretty while you watch it
A bit like one of my old girlfriends ROFL...
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:52
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:52
Someone is going to associate a Kiwi male and a sheep here for sure :-)
unsigned . . .
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 16:49
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 16:49
That is a fallacy spread by Australians.
There are so many willing Aussie tourists I have never had to chase sheep
other than to herd them for Aussie men who wish to sample Kiwi delicacys.
ROFL
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Follow Up By: Members Paul and Melissa (VIC) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 19:35
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 19:35
i think it is the other way around,LCD are OK flat but NOT Plasma's. My LCD TV in the van gets wedged between the top and bottom of the
seat of the dinner table for transit,never had a problem nor will ever probably,the smaller screens will tolerate alot more punishment than a larger screen.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 19:44
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 19:44
Well why would a salesman who sells both tell me the opposite as stated above.
Plasmas are 3 tiny lights LCD is Liquid Crystal so would think that would be more vulnerable.
You wont know you have a problem till it occurs, if in fact it does but
mine will stay vertical.
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Follow Up By: Rolly - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 14:09
Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 14:09
"
Well why would a salesman who sells both tell me the opposite as stated above."
Probably because he is a salesman who, like the majority of sales personnel in large retail organisations, knows very little about the products that he is selling.
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Follow Up By: tim_c - Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 15:31
Saturday, Jul 25, 2009 at 15:31
"Probably because he is a salesman who, like the majority of sales personnel in large retail organisations, knows very little about the products that he is selling."
Too true Rolly - but does that include car dealers?! I haven't had a lot of contact with them (thankfully) but I've generally found that after a quick browse of the manufacturers website, I know more about the particular car than the dealer who sells them for a living.
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Reply By: DriverDan - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:11
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:11
It is a used van and there is a wineguard aerial. We also have an aerial for the last van we owned - we'll juggle between the two to see which works best.
The TV didn't come with a 12v power supply - was wondering what would be best to buy.
We have kept the box from the Teac so can store in that with the foam surrounds. We would be happy to have the TV sit on the counter to watch and put in the box to travel - can't lie down? We can sit the box upright if necessary but would be easier to lie down tied to the bed mattress.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:38
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:38
Are you sure it does do 12 v .
Most of them that do are powered from a plug pack so that they never use 240
They are 12v only and as such always have a stepdown power pack
Up to you the way you store it.
Im only going on what the salesman told me as per the follow up above
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Follow Up By: Camoco - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:39
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 12:39
I bought a multi-voltage step down box for my 19" NEC. It is 12v native but I didn't want to risj the over voltage a battery system could do to it.
It works a treat and was around $60 for a 12v&24V input to variable output within that range. Cheap insurance I reckon.
As for storage, I mounted
mine on an arm for normal use and it velcros to the seats vertically when in transit. Just a strap with velcro each end gripping onto the upholstery of the dining
seat. The arm has a wedge vertical slip mount and can be left there for small journeys, but the larger rougher ones I put it on the
seat. The arm is mounted on 16mm mdf behind the main 3mm ply wall using 8mm high tensile bolts. It doesn't move.
Cheers Cam
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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:50
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 10:50
You say you have: "Teac 19" TV that has 12v capability"
so is it a-> ' 240 Volt TV ' ?
Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: DriverDan - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 19:38
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 19:38
It does say 240v/12v on the box. The manual shows instructions for 12v use. I'll see how I go with Jaycar tomorrow on getting advice on the power situation.
One
point of interest is that there are people posting here who have this TV and have no trouble with it. It is a lovely TV - I set it up in the house today to have a look at it and it was very easy to get working and also plays divx files from a usb harddrive. However, when I enquired about the 12v cigarette lighter type connection I was told that, if I used the TV with 12v I would void warranty. I bought it anyway, having read of people using this particular TV quite successfully. Why advertise an item as 12v if you are not expected to use it as such?
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Reply By: Member - Bob C (NSW) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:25
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 13:25
Hi Dan
I've got a 19'' Teac which works perfectly on 12v,just plug the 12v adapter in and away it goes.I purchased the tv from Joyce Mayne and they threw in the 12v connection.Other
places were rather vague about them and quoted Teac at about $80 extra.The no name one off the shelf at Joyce's was about $20 $30 dollars from memory
Cheers Bob
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Reply By: landseka - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 16:00
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 16:00
I could be wrong but I believe ALL lcd tv's are 12v in operation.
The smaller ones, say up to 19" generally have the stepdown brick on the 240v power cord which supplies 12v to the set.
The larger ones have the transformer inside the main case.
We have a Palsonic 19" TV / DVD Combo which I run directly from a 12v powerpoint which I fitted to the van. We also have a Strong Satellite Decoder which is also 12v connected the same way.
It is interesting that lcd's are not happy travelling laying flat, ours travels flat, laying on a thick cushion with a strap over it for security. It has survived close to 30,000kms like that all be it 99% on bitumen.
Regards
Neil.
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Follow Up By: landseka - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 16:03
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 16:03
I meant to add...for just a couple dollars a power cord can be made up with the appropriate plugs from Trickie Dickie and a short bit of light twin core wire.
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Follow Up By: Member -Dodger - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 16:25
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 16:25
We have had 2 LCD TV's that have been transported in the van laying face down flat protected by foam rubber in a camera case type container the silver suitcase style. Both TV's traveled thousands of klms without a problem.
(except for the lousy programs transmitted).
Maybe there is a problem with the extra large lcd screens but I think not on the smaller portable type ones.
You should be able to get a 12v lead from Dick Smiths. Take your whole 240v connection into them for comparison. Or at least just the bit that plugs into the tv rear.
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 17:45
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 17:45
Interesting about not lying the 12v TV flat. We bought a 2nd hand (2007)Supreme with a Palsonic LCD already fitted. We had an issue with the inbuilt DVD player and discovered that it was still covered by a 3 year warranty. We chased up the original purchase date for the van and the Palsonic agent here in
Perth arranged the repair for us at no cost. We had previously removed the TV from the swing out arm and laid it flat on the bed and pulled the covers over it as this seemed the least likely place for it to come to grief. After reading the above posts I wondered if maybe we have been doing the wrong thing so I rang the repair
shop and asked them their opinion. The answer I was given was that the position of transport was more important for the earlier models (didn't ask how early) that had components that could be shaken loose. For these the vertical position was best however the recommendation was to adopt a travel mounting that kept vibrations to a minimum. In the case of our unit I was told that being a later type lying flat was no problem and the bed transportation would be fine.
Maybe contacting the manufacturer or their agents for a ruling would be prudent.
Cheers Pop
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 21:16
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 21:16
The one my son has is a 40"Samsung and
mine is a 15"Grundig both less than a year old so I dont know Just going on what I was told.
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Reply By: DriverDan - Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 19:31
Friday, Jul 24, 2009 at 19:31
I'm grateful for all the discussion - I'm inclined to keep the original box stored under a bed and bring it out to put the TV into and stand it up and wedge it to hold it still. I went to Dick Smith this afternoon and power plug wise was advised to go see the people at Jaycar - thought I would just take the boxed TV with me and they will advise me on the best power solution. I'll post what the say when I've spoken to them.
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 22:56
Monday, Jul 27, 2009 at 22:56
Just to get the correct story I emailed TEAC and here is the question and the reply
Subject: Storage of LCD televisions
Could you please tell me the correct way to carry an LCD in a caravan when travelling.
I have been told by a salesperson that they should always be kept vertical always.
I would like you to verify if this is correct or not.
Some say its plasmas that should be kept like this and some agree with me.
So which is correct
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Subject: RE: Storage of LCD televisions
Hello Graham,
Thank you for your email.
Generally it is fine to store them vertically or horizontal. provided the set is correctly protected.
If you have the original packaging ,it would be recommended to use this to prevent scratches or damage to the unit.
For larger the screens say 32’’ to 42’’, it is recommended to transport these sets in their original packaging to prevent screens from bending or twisting as this can crack the screen.
Once in the original packaging, these sets can be transported vertically or horizontally.
Transportation for plasma set is generally in a vertical position in their original packaging.
I hope this is of assistance to you.
Sio I guess I was both right and wrong.
Cheers
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Reply By: DriverDan - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:18
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:18
Good to have the reply from Teac. I have the original box and styrofoam packaging and will use it to store the TV. Jaycar Aspley were terrific - found a suitable Power Tech Plus 60w Auto Power Adaptor - didn't have the correct pin but they had a container full of spare pins and we found one to fit. They checked the polarity of
the tip and tested the device for me. All in all, terrific service. Cost was $40.
Now, just looking forward to getting the van and going for our first run in October.
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Reply By: DriverDan - Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:42
Tuesday, Jul 28, 2009 at 06:42
Just as a footnote - for anyone buying a small(ish) 12v LDC TV or other appliance, here is the information on the back of the Power Adaptor Packet:
"The Jaycar MP-3478 high power DC adaptor is designed to power the popular brands of portable DVD players, CD/MP3/MP4/MiniDisc players, digital cameras, portable game devices, digital video recorders, battery powered radios, LCD TV, mini fridges, car vacuum cleaners, lamps etc., which require DC input from 5-12v (5A or current or less) while you are travelling in your car. The adaptor features overload and short circuit protection.
Stabilised output, low ripple & low interference
Adjustable output voltage
High efficiency & low energy consumption
Power LED monitor"
Hope this is helpful to others looking for a suitable power adaptor.
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