Repair Or Replace Bullbar and dodgy repairers
Submitted: Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 20:38
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4wd 4 Life
Hello People,
Have not been at this site for a number of years due to Work and financial commitments. (I was previously registered here as Granpa Joe)
I was wondering what your thoughts were on an Issue I am Having with a motor vehicle insurance company.
I have a nissan patrol fitted with a genuine nissan steel bar and the 2002 model patrol has srs airbag protection.
My precious patrol was hit by another vehicle for the first time in it's life the other day and had gone to the insurance company for repair.
I was told today upon enquiring that the panel
shop was repairing the bullbar and not replacing it which I think is a bit suspect when taking into consideration the structural damage it suffered.
Does anyone have any info or knowledge in regards to what should be done?
What do you guys think?
Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 23:58
Tuesday, Aug 11, 2009 at 23:58
Fairly regularly, on this and other forums, there is a (mass) debate about the suitability (or otherwise) of alloy vs steel bullbars....
Invariably, one of the main reasons put forward by the 'pro steel' side for their choice, is that the steel bar is more easily repaired if damaged..
In the case of the (steel) bullbar in question, the insurance company and the repairer have deemed it to be repairable (fancy that!), and have decided to do just that, repair rhe bullbar (presumably to original spec)..
So, unless your policy stipulates 'new for old', then it appears to me that your insurance company is meeting it's obligation..
Can't see a problem, meself.............
;-)
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 06:36
Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 06:36
Hi Ed,
'IF' the bar was legal before the crash but is not after it has been repaired then the insurance company has not met it's obligations.
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:19
Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:19
Who is to say that it won't be legal after the repair??
With my limited knowledge with Air Bag compliant bullbars, I would think that as long as the crush can attachment from the bar to the mounting points is either undamaged or replaced if damaged then there would be no issue with having the bar repaired.
Cheers Kev
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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:20
Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:20
Also he has not mentioned if the Air Bags deployed either.
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Follow Up By: 4wd 4 Life - Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:58
Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 10:58
The factory bar does not have a seperate crush can between the chassis and the bar, it is one peice with the bar hence my concern and no the airbags didn't deploy as the other vehicle absorbed the bulk of the impact(was written off)
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Reply By: downtools - Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:02
Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 08:02
4wd 4 Life,
Same thing happened to us a few months ago.
A large trailer with generator on board detached itself from a truck and rolled into our bullbar causing a 100mm long scratch/dint, very minor really.
I wasn't too worried about it till the truck drivers attitude peeved me off!
Comments like, what damage, a bit of bog and a spray can, it's only a nissan, I shouldn't have been so close to him?
So I asked - why arn't there any safety chains on the trailer, work cover would be really interested hey. Within a couple of days the nissan was booked in for a new ARB bar. Stuff em!!
Good luck with the repair.
Cheers Nifty
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Follow Up By: 4wd 4 Life - Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:10
Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 11:10
Well that's the way I am starting to lean on the subject, how can they say it's the same when the plate peices that hold it are all mangled.
Will it handle a 10 000 lb winch still?
After talking to a few people in the industry about insurer they have told me they are notorious for sending repairs to the cheapest repairer regardless of their reputation.
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Reply By: JR - Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 14:26
Wednesday, Aug 12, 2009 at 14:26
Not sure regarding Air bag approval on bullbars.
I think this standard just says it wont impact on Air bag deployment, I believe they are now activated by decelleration sensors so not sure what a bull bar has to do with it. Some setups use sensors right up the front. Patrols are under the pax
seat.
Was told it had to do with crushing at the same rate as vehicle without bullbar.
Repair company surely has the right to repair a bullbar if they think it can be fixed OK. Insurance companies nearly always warrant repair so its no different to repairing or replacing a bent panel all down to cost, As bullbars get more expensive there will be more repaired rather than replaced.
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Reply By: 4wd 4 Life - Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 17:00
Monday, Aug 17, 2009 at 17:00
After no progress on the repair of my vehicle for the last week,
Nissan Australia kindly replied to an E-mail I had sent the previous week in regards to repairing their Genuine steel "Frontal Protection Bar". They recommended replacing after suffering structural damage as repairing would not leave the bar in the same state as what it was in from the manufacturer and could not in any way guarantee the safety of the vehicles occupants in a crash as the srs airbag system may be affected by the compromised frontal protection bar.
I have forwarded Nissan Australia's response to the insurance company in question as they assured me that if Nissan confirmed this, the bar would be replaced immediately.
Shall post again after hearing from the insurer.
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