Hand Winch Capacities
Submitted: Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003 at 07:23
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Member - Jack
Hi folks:
I am looking at purchasing a Hand Winch (brand undecided at present). Would a 1.6 tonne capacity hand winch, used in conjunction with a couple of snatch blocks be adequate for getting my 91 Landcruiser out of most situations?
Many thanks.
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Reply By: Member - Cocka - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003 at 08:26
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003 at 08:26
Each turn of a block increases the capacity by + onc of the capacity of the pulling force. Put another way, if you have one turn through a block ie two lengths of pulling force the capacity is doubled - 1.6+1.6 = 3.2 tonne capacity. Passed through another block is + another 1.6 = 4.8 tonne. You loose a little bit of the advantage by any friction created at the blocks and though it would be easy going it would take forever to lever the cable through 2 blocks. The blocks have a rated capacity also.
Whats the loaded weight of your wagon ? and remember you are not lifting the whole weight, just pulling it along or up certain unknown gradients.
4wd monthly mag just did a review of hand
winches in a special edition.
I'd get the best winch first, do a
test pull somewhere then try one block if you think you might need it.
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Follow Up By: Member - Bonz (Vic) - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003 at 21:03
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003 at 21:03
Dead right Cocka, I got a Big Haul 1.6t job at the 4WD show in
Melbourne a few years ago and with one block its more than enough to pull along a laden Patrol. The Big Haul even got a good write up in the three winch tests i have read FOLLOWING the purchase - Amazing, I actually bought the one recommended...now to get a recommended snatch strap........So many
places to go!
So much work to do :0(
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Reply By: ExplorOz Team - David - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003 at 10:33
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003 at 10:33
Jack,
We carry a 1.6t hand winch and two blocks + 20mtrs of winch strap and tree trunk protector. In all our time travelling I have had the same setup - Used the winch about 4 times, winch strap 3 times, tree truck 4 times, blocks never.
I think that a hand winch is a far better choice for general touring recovery (than the power winch) as it gives you the advantage that you can pull sideways, backwards as
well as forwards. Two of my 4 winch recoveries were to pull our trailers around or back onto it's wheels once. Only twice have I used it to pull the vehicle alone and only once was that forward. Add to this the weight saving and the hand winch is a winner. Get a good unit and you will keep it for years and years - hopefully you will never need it but it is nice to know it is there.
In fact you can see what we carry here - [ View Image]or read more in the Recovery Gear Topic .
Enjoy.
Regards
ExplorOz Team - David
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Reply By: Rhubarb - Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003 at 15:45
Wednesday, Sep 10, 2003 at 15:45
A 1.6T winch should be able to be used on a heavy 4WD in almost every situation. Remember that the 1.6T is the safe working hoist load of the winch, and any winch worth buying will have a safety factor of 5. This means that the winch can very safely lift 1.6T straight up of the ground. It also means that the breaking point (the way snatch straps are rated) of the winch is 1.6 x 5 = 8T.
Also when winching you are not necessarily pulling the full weight of your 4by. It depends on the rolling friction. For example if your stuck on a flat bit of mud, just because you have lost traction and are not dug in, the rolling friction will be much less than 1.6T. However if you get stuck in it up to chasis on an incline, then the rolling friction will probably be greater than 1.6T and you should use your snatch block.
You shouldn't use more than two snatch blocks unless you really know what your doing, because the forces you are dealing with are very full on.
Where rolling friction is very low (such a train on track on the flat) a 1.6T winch is capable of pulling up to 100T!
As far as brands go personally I would either look at the oringinal Tifor or the Big Haul winch.
Hope this helps and good luck!
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Follow Up By: Tony - Thursday, Sep 11, 2003 at 08:17
Thursday, Sep 11, 2003 at 08:17
You may need to go back to basics on this one Rhubarb, you get a fully loaded Patrol bogged and with diffs sitting on the ground you can double the wieght of the vehicle straight away, now add a bit of an incline ????? your getting very near the shear factor of the safety pins of the winch.
By going back to basics you have to lighten the load on the winch some how.
Dig out in front of the tyres,
jack vehicle and place timber,rocks etc under tyres,
unload all the gear &
build a ramp for the vehicle to run up out of the bog.
This all takes time but what else have you got unless the tide is coming in.
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Follow Up By: Rhubarb - Thursday, Sep 11, 2003 at 11:39
Thursday, Sep 11, 2003 at 11:39
Yes quite right Tony. I was just trying to give an example on how 'rolling friction' affects the load on a winch.
For a better explanation see -
http://www.tractel.com/products/lift&materialshandling/hoists/tirfor/calculation.htm
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Reply By: Rob from Cairns Offroad Training & Tours - Friday, Sep 12, 2003 at 18:35
Friday, Sep 12, 2003 at 18:35
In answer to your origional question, yes more than adequate. When you weigh up the versatility, cost, maintenance, weight over the front of your vehicle, it really is hard to go past a hand winch. I have had
mine over 20 years and it has never let me down and I have used it in many instances where a vehicle mounted winch couldn't be used. At $350 for a tuff pull I reckon they work out to be nearly 10 times cheaper than an electric winch by the time you have it fitted and if you drive sensibly you may never have to use it. Even tho I have a hydraulic winch fitted I never go anywhere without my hand winch and if I had to choose only one it would definitly be the hand winch. Cheers,
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Friday, Sep 12, 2003 at 19:40
Friday, Sep 12, 2003 at 19:40
Thanks for all your input and advice, folks. Sometimes you just get lucky - I got onto a "Big Haul" 1.6 tonne winch, never used, still in the box, for $200. My lucky day!!!!
Owner has just bought a brand new Landcruiser and got himself an electric winch and had no further need for this one.
Thanks again.
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