How do I ground an inverter?
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Silly question... but how do I ground an inverter when used in a car and when used outside?
Reply By: Honky - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 15:23
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 15:23
Whilst it does not make sense to me but it says if you cannot ground to the ground outside you ground it to the body of the vehicle.
Honky
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Reply By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 15:35
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 15:35
Are you talking about the 240Volt side or the 12Volt side? A basic answer is: The 12 Volt side just connects to your battery via the +ve and -ve leads. As for the 240Volt side, just plug your appliance in and use it. Good quality appliances and
inverters are double insulated and don't have any connection for grounding and are fused.. Old style
inverters did have a ground connection point. The only way you could do that in practice, was drive an earth stake into the ground, then connect an earth wire to the stake and the inverter.... not very practical..! In any case, driving an earth stake into the ground didn't always guarantee that you had a good earth.Does that answer your question?
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Follow Up By: garbage - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 16:08
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 16:08
Thanks for your reply - clears a few things up. Would new style
inverters be very safe to use both inside the car and outside the car as long as you're not sticking metal objects into the power point? What sort of risks are there?
Also, you mentioned good quality
inverters. Would the $87 300W jobby from Dick Smith be considered poor quality?
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 16:31
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 16:31
Personally speaking I would not use an $87 300 Watt Inverter ( at all )
I would not get anything other than a *Pure Sine Wave* Inverter
It also MUST have a decent *fan forced* cooling system
To check out good quality
Inverters yourself compare models from a trusted site like
this link
Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: garbage - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 16:40
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 16:40
Wow, they certainly don't come cheap! Would this be overkill for applications like the little ones watching a DVD or charging the laptop/mobiles?
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 17:09
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 17:09
You ask: ""Would this be overkill for applications like the *little ones* watching a DVD or charging the laptop/mobiles? ""
I suppose it depends on the $$ value you place on your *little ones* ??
It's a smaller capacity inverter than the $87 triki dicki toy one
but I will bet my kids life it IS much much much better quality
Maîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: garbage - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 17:18
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 17:18
What about the Projecta ones?
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 17:35
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 17:35
The smaller inverter (150W) inverter has N0 fan
this LINK:
300 watt Projecta Inverter is N0T Pure Sine Wave
I would keep on looking :-)
Image Could Not Be FoundMaîneÿ . . .
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Follow Up By: garbage - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 17:53
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 17:53
What's the real risk of a modified sine way inverter? Is it the electrocution or the potential damage to the appliance? Say you're charging a mobile, could it fry the mobile or just the charger?
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Follow Up By: Member No 1- Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 18:31
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 18:31
pure sine wave is also better for the appliance
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Reply By: Member - Kevin B1 (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 15:45
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 15:45
I am not a qualified electrician but I believe that 240 volt
inverters when fitted to any vehicle should be mounted above earth, that is not earthed to any part of the body of the vehicle. The reason given to me from an electrician was that if a fault should occur within the inverter it could render the whole vehicle live.
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 15:53
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 15:53
As I recall, my inverter specifically said NOT to ground the 240v side as internal damage may result.
Probably to do with the voltage regulation circuit within. If opto-isolators are not used in the feedback circuit, then earthing one leg of the mains will stuff up the regulation circuitry.
Gerry
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Follow Up By: garbage - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 15:53
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 15:53
I'm no electrician either. The inverter would be connected to the aux battery which is connected to the starter battery which is connected to the chassis. Would this make the vehicle live?
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 15:59
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 15:59
Hi Garbage,
In a word, no.
As far as I can tell, both legs of the 240 output are floating above earth. But I wouldn't be putting one finger on the 240v and one on your vehicle earth!
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 19:08
Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 19:08
"my inverter specifically said NOT to ground the 240v side as internal damage may result."
Older
Inverters have a connection between the DC side and the AC.
Jaycar now only sells
Inverters with isolated output to avoid this type of problem.
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 22:46
Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 22:46
Makes good sense, Mike. I was quite surprised to read the caveat on my inverter. It is about 8 years old, tho.
Gerry
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Reply By: Member - Gary J (NSW) - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 16:07
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 16:07
Hi Garbage, in a vehicle situation there is no need to earth (ground) the inverter.
Some
inverters have an earth post, but I was told by an engineer this is mainly for marine use.
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Follow Up By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 16:21
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 16:21
Hi Gary,
you are correct, you should not ground the inverter to the vehicle, and yes, it is different in marine situations (also depends on what and where it is mounted to..) If the inverter meets Aus Standards, just plug in and use. Tricky Dicky, Jaycar and others have
inverters for in car use.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 20:42
Wednesday, Sep 02, 2009 at 20:42
Silly questions get silly answers....lol
One of these might be what your looking for.
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Reply By:- Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 09:29
Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 09:29
No, don't earth it.
Earthing means connecting one output wire to either an earth stake or the chassis or both.
Earthing an inverter output increases the risk of electrocution.
If it's earthed and you touch the wrong (hot) wire, your muscles might respond violently under 'un'favourable conditions.
If it's not grounded you only can get zapped if you touch both wires at the same time (which is true for grounded as
well of course). If you only touch one of either wire, nothing will happen to you.
Earthing only is good for distribution grids because it ties the system to earth potential. If this wasn't done, active and neutral could both 'float' to unpredictable voltage levels due to atmospheric charges accumulating in the overhead wires.
Best of luck, mr.batteryvalue
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Reply By: DIO - Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 11:32
Thursday, Sep 03, 2009 at 11:32
I would strongly suggest you don't use an inverter in the car whilst travelling. In the event of an accident it is possible that occupants of your vehicle may be electrocuted (remember it's 240 volts) worse still anyone coming to your aid in such situation (emergency workers etc) are also likely to be exposed to 240 volts. How would you cope if one of your kids was trapped in the car, smoke and flames are staring to appear and no one will go anywhere near the vehicle because they can see 240 volts arcing against
debris etc. and they consider it too dangerous to intervene !!
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Follow Up By: garbage - Friday, Sep 04, 2009 at 21:52
Friday, Sep 04, 2009 at 21:52
How would the inverter electrocute the occupants in an accident? Submerging the car?
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Friday, Sep 04, 2009 at 22:12
Friday, Sep 04, 2009 at 22:12
Why would you even need 240 volts in a car.
I have several 6 mm wires running up to 10 cig sockets and can run anything
from laptop to the space station (
well almost)
Drop a drink into 240 volt and you may
well light up your life.
You can use a CONVERTER for the lappy and everything else is available in 12
volts anyway.
Safety first Think laterally,you dont need 240 volts.
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Sep 04, 2009 at 23:47
Friday, Sep 04, 2009 at 23:47
the reason is simple
My coffee maker is 240v
I recharge batteries with240v
Maîneÿ . . .
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