Caravan Manufacturers claims

Submitted: Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 12:57
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Have you ever noticed that every caravan manufacturer claims to make the best caravan in Australia, the finest in quality and detail, the best in quality control and they all only use qualified tradesman.

If thats the case, why are there so many people out there who have horror stories about the build quality of their caravans.

Just look at Steve & Denny (Geriatric Gypsies). They took delivery of a new van last year and have had nothing but trouble. This van was manufactured by a brand that has been in the industry for many many years yet the so called quality control was sadly lacking in their case.

If it had not been for a storm damaging their van they would have been blissfully unaware of the short comings of the build quality.

The repairer found that despite being clearly labelled as "Insulated" there was little if any insulation. He also found that the frame was not correctly manufactured and while re sheeting the side of the van he repaired that also.

All this and more in a van thats only just 12 months old.

It just seems to me that there are a large number of manufacturers out there who make outrageous claims about the quality of their vans whilst all the time taking shortcuts that the customer just can't see.

Would be interested to see what others who have bought a reasonably new van think or hear of their experiences.

Cheers,

Cruiser

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Reply By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:30

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 13:30
G/Day Cruiser

We haven't had any problems with ours as yet, only thing so far we found was the Chrome Wheel Hub Covers are getting rusty, what a lot of prospective caravan buyers dont do is look on top of the van roofs, they should take a step ladder with them and check some of the joints sealed with the magic sikaflex, most are sealed ok but they look very rough, not done in a trademan like manner, when we purchased ours, I got up on the back bumper bar and stood on the spare tyre and inspected the roof, the Millard people made ours along with a lot of other brands, then they just put the Dealers Name Sticker on them.

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Follow Up By: Cruiser .- Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:04

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:04
Daza,

I haven't had any real problems with my van.

I am like you, I climbed in/under/over and through my van before I bought it, however I have just observed through various forums and reading various manufacturers websites, that it seems like every manufacturer makes the same claims.

They can't all be the best.

What prompted this post was talking to Steve & Denny regarding thier experiences.

Cheers,

Cruiser
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Reply By: Member - Julie & John (VIC) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:05

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:05
Gday...
Not at all surprised at this "quality van" story. Notice you did not name the offending company/dealer, we have had a horrendous 6 months with our new van. Here is the abridged version of our experience.
Van model - 21 ft Golden Eagle (read Paramount Caravans) sold through Canterbury Caravans in Bayswater in Melbourne.
We ordered in Aug 08 for pickup Dec 08. First hiccup, phone call to say they had not followed our specified requirements and had installed a washing machine in the space we had wanted the extra cupboards/storage. Back and forth phone calls and they decided to leave the washing machine in place at no cost to us - mainly because they said we would have to wait a further three months if we wanted it WITHOUT the machine now.
Advised van ready for pickup on 22 Dec 08. The van they provided us with was NOT the van we had signed up for.
They had included a full wall between 'eating area' and 'sleeping area', microwave in the wrong place - Their response - well this is what you ordered. Also ceiling filled with patches where someone had stuck a screwdriver through by accident, the wrong mattresses (which were too big for the single beds), long dent along outside from wheel arch to past water fillers - we could go on.
Had to wait for after Xmas holidays before they could decide what to do.
Eventually in mid-Feb 09, they agreed to cut the wall out and modify/fix the other issues we had. Van sat in their factory in Campbellfield for four weeks with no action. We finally turned up and after an 'animated discussion' they decided to commence the work. Two weeks later we picked it up and drove it back to Sale.
Just 112km from Melb the van lost the rear kerbside wheel assembly - the lot - hub, brakes etc etc.
Canterbury Caravans sent a tilt-tray truck and took it back to Melb - after dragging the van along the road trying to get it up onto the tilt-tray.
Six weeks later we finally get it back - but still without the "wall remnant" correctly removed and the dinette area replaced correctly.
Also, the shower door and the fridge doors would not open/close, probably due to the loss of the wheel and stress on the chassis.
Since then, we have done two small trips - water leaks where mains pressure enters the van, rear water tank sealant failed - leaks, centre bolts in axles lost nuts and required warranty attention, ensuite window needed replacing under warranty (it would not shut).
The personnel at Paramount Caravans have been most unhelpful with the exception (finally) of their Warranty Manager. The personnel at Canterbury Caravans have been downright rude and unhelpful - if we did not have photos of the van we ordered we would have been helpless as they insisted "this is what you ordered" The only exception at Canterbury Caravans was their Sales Manager and Service Manager, who had not been aware of our problems until the very last. They have been very helpful.
To finish off ...... our confidence in our van is zero, build quality still remains at best just acceptable and faith in the industry is very low.
Sorry this is so long ... but believe me .. it IS the abridged version.
Cheers
Julie & John

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Follow Up By: Cruiser .- Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:39

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:39
Julie & John,

Your story is typical of many I have heard in the last few years.

I am just glad we haven't had any real problems.

Cheers,

Cruiser
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Reply By: Member - ross m (WA) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:35

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:35
Its bound to happen.
Its an over crowded industry with players that pay low wages to remain competative and make all sorts of promises to get the job.

The claims they only employ "qualified tradesman" is a good one.
My mates wife got a job with a big caravan builder and she had no experience with hand tools or any construction experience
Her job was to fit out kitchens.

The best vans are probably the ones at the Caravan and Camping shows.
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Follow Up By: Rolly - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:59

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:59
The biggest part of the problem is the old "BBB" principle: Bulldust Baffles Brains.

So much of industry and commerce seem to depend on the bunkum dished out to prospective customers disguised as "product information".

The new customer component seems to be mainly retirees from a vast array of life and work experiences.
But they have little or no experience of life beyond their personal experiences and even less about life beyond the boundaries of the built-up urban environment.

In the main their assumption seems to be that, rather than making serious attempts to educate themselves about the world into which the are about to launch themselves, buying the latest, best and most expensive of everything, will adequately compensate for their profound ignorance.

It's on this that the industry preys so successfully.

And it is this that accounts for the appalling incident record of caravaners and motorhomers on country roads.





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Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:48

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 15:48
My new van is being built right now.

We are getting regular construction photos and I am very impressed by the attention to detail, the thought given to where things go, particularly the 12v and 240v wiring, and the cabinet work.

Compared to my previous van it's miles and miles ahead.

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Follow Up By: Cruiser .- Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:01

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:01
Gone Bush,

I know there are many reputable manufacturers and dealers around and not everyones experiences are bad, but I am just astounded by the fact that almost every manufacturer seems to claim somewhere in their advertising paraphernalia to be the best in Australia.

Maybe they genuinely think theirs is the best, but who decided that. What regulatory body allows them to make these claims.

I went to a dealers yard a few months ago and saw 2 vans, same model, same year of manufacture and the finish on each was similar but when I pointed a few things out to the salesman (such as no trim around the the stove on one, yet the other did have it) he said "oh we just do final quality control on pre delivery"

What does that tell me about the quality control at the factory.

It tells me its not good, and this manufacturer has a 43% share of sales in Australia.

Not good in my opinion, especially when the price of a van can be similar to a car and has less moving components.

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Cruiser
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:08

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:08
I agree Cruiser,

it took me a lot of research and one purchase of another brand before I came to this manufacturer.

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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:59

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 16:59
G/dAY G B
I agree you have to do the leg work, we looked at new caravans for nearly 3 months, and travelled all over the place, the van we have now is the second one from the same dealer, and the same manufacturer, from what I have read about your new van it is one of the major players in the caravan industry with excellent quality and dependability, and I know you are paying a higher price for this product, it goes with out saying , you get what you pay for.
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Follow Up By: Member - Julie & John (VIC) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 17:29

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 17:29
Gday Daza of QLD...
We spent two years looking at 2nd hand and new vans .... including two Caravan Shows at Caulfield racecourse.
We are not new to caravanning and knew what we were looking at.
Like the comments commenced by Cruiser etc ... the quality and caring of the caravan manufacturers is woeful.
We have discussed with other travellers over the years their opinion of their vans and the level of dissatisfaction with the quality of finish and professionalism of the dealer/s etc leaves MUCH to be desired.
A comment earlier that all us 'oldies' are just fodder for the caravan manufacturers seems to apply ... build what the factory wants and stuff the consumer.
**now down off me soapbox**
Cheers
Julie & John
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Follow Up By: DIO - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 18:12

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 18:12
Name of manufacturer....?
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Follow Up By: Member - Julie & John (VIC) - Tuesday, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:07

Tuesday, Sep 15, 2009 at 10:07
Gday...
Read our story above .... Golden Eagle (Paramount Caravans build) sold thru Canterbury Caravans in Bayswater Melb
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John & Julie
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Reply By: Member - Nick T (WA) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 18:32

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 18:32
G'Day
Speaking to a mate yesterday. He just drove back from the eastern states after having to leave their very near new caravan in Victoria to be dealt with by the manufacturer. First Trip drove WA to SA,Vic & NSW all on the blacktop maybe 30 km gravel, all the cupboards and some of the drawers just fell to bits and the main chassis members cracked 3/4 of the way through. He thought they were RHS but were C section. Foreign brand claimed to be built in Melbourne.
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Follow Up By: dave the brickie - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 22:58

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 22:58
hi Nick,
we had a similar experience.Bought a new van in '06 and on our first trip to cervantes and back ,all the draw runners came out .All the contents
fell to bottom of cupboard.Problem was 3mm screws into plyboard,I don't know why these manufacturers can't spend 6 bucks on liquid nails and glue and screw their hinge and cupboard screws.I've done them all now myself,no more problems.Shower support fell out , same problem,same fix.
Dave.....
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Reply By: Member - George (WA) - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 19:37

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 19:37
Well I am pleased to say that we have a happy caravan story. We have had our Supreme Territory van now for 2.5 years. It was build to our requirements and delivered exactly as we specified. the dealer we went trough was George Day caravans, they were extremely good in making sure our specifications were as we wanted. There were however a couple of small issues that were promptly rectified. 1. Did not get a jack with the van, this was promptly supplied. 2. the shower door (circular) kept falling off on bumpy or corrugated roads. Supreme provided new rollers and I solved the doors falling off myself. 3. a fair amount of dust inside on gravel tracks, that I fixed myself. Overall we are very happy with the van and it's performance. So, not all manufacturers are bad.

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Cruiser .- Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 19:46

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 19:46
George,

Glad to hear you have had a pleasant experience.

As I said somewhere else in this thread, I am know there are good manufacturers and dealers out there, and its obvious that you have had a good experience (my brother actually has a Supreme Territory and is happy as well)

Cheers,

Cruiser
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 20:10

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 20:10
Not just caravans, it's everywhere
Bad training, insufficient industry standards, no morals and pride, under financed companies, lazy workers going to work drunk thats what I find all the time.
You can open a business with $2 and no formal qualifications. What do you expect ?

have fun
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Follow Up By: PradOz - Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 21:23

Monday, Sep 14, 2009 at 21:23
Yep got to agree its not just caravans - its cars, boats, houses etc etc

I worked for major NSW home builder for over 10 years and yes they were once one of the very best in the state with plenty of awards etc for doing the right thing. Now they still get the awards but like most successful companies - they grow, they get bigger and then get so big they lose control of what they were good at because they now have to employ people to do what the good successful people did. Just because they are employed by a successful person/company doesnt make them an instant success too. Unfortunately when the company gets bigger the owner gets further from the coal face and loses sight of what the average worker that ends up controlling the destiny of his company is really doing.

Seen plenty of people I would have sacked yet they are still there building peoples dreams - turning some into nightmares. I think the days of "you get what you pay for" are over because of all the reasons i mention above. Think I am wrong - well go build a new home with a "reputable company" I know and I just hope you get the right supervisor controlling your "dream"

Sometimes buying secondhand lessens the pain as you hopefully have the nightmares fixed by the sucker who bought it new and you save on the depreciation as well. cheers....
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