Water Storgae on roof
Submitted: Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 18:58
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CraigB
Thinking of making up some
water storage using pvc storm
water pipe and attaching it to the side of the roof basket.
For those that have already done this type of thing what is the best size pipe to use 100mm or 150mm diameter?
My basket is 1800mm long so if my maths is correct using a pipe the same length as the basket 100mm should give approx. 14 litres and 150mm approx. 31 litres
Is 150mm diameter pipe too large?
Regards
CraigB
Reply By: Gone Bush (WA) - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:02
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:02
Some years ago it was discovered that PVC pipes, with the ends glued on, were poisoning people.
Apparently when the blue solvent used to glue the various bits together was exposed to the sun for too long (as it would be) it leeched into the
water and caused serious health issues to the people who drank it.
cheeers
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Follow Up By: CraigB - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:07
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:07
I was thinking of using threaded end caps with a rubber "o" ring thus not having the need to use any solvents/glue.
Although come to think of it there would need to be one glued joint where the "T" piece filler connects.
This makes it much easier to put together and also easy access to clean out when required.
Regards
CraigB
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Follow Up By: a convict - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:12
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:12
..also
Bog standard PVC pipes have Phthalates in the compound and they mimic human hormones.
Phthalates affect various life forms in a deleterious way, i.e. they are carcinogenic in extremely small quantities.
Don't go there.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 22:45
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 22:45
How would you hold the threaded end caps on?
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Follow Up By: prado-wolf - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 23:25
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 23:25
Well i dont want to say that i am an expert in PVC pipes but if they are so dangerous shouldnt all the country folks be concerned that have them on their guters feeding their rainwater tanks?
An we are not just using the tank
water like the town folks for the garden or the toilett.
All my pipes are PVC and glued with the blue cement glue and they all lead into my tanks.
I use that
water for over 20 years now and i am still alive and dont ave two heads either.
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Follow Up By: Gone Bush (WA) - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 23:36
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 23:36
Only passing on what I know.
Do with the information what you wish.
I have long passed caring what other people think.
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Follow Up By: a convict - Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 01:29
Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 01:29
..thanks to:
"
Gone Bush (WA) posted:
Only passing on what I know.
Do with the information what you wish.
"
..same for me. Sorry about slow response.
Google "Phthalates" and "mimic human hormones"
..a less polite way of stating "mimic human hormones", .. // = 'Sex Change"
..there are plenty of other piping materials out there that are guaranteed '
water safe', and they do not leach 'fillers' and 'plasticizing agents'.
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Reply By: Bob of KAOS - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:03
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:03
Craig
Makes vehicle even more top heavy and susceptible to rollover.
A 25 L
water container in the car would hold nearly as much as you propose.
Just my thoughts on why I wouldn't go down that path.
Bob
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Follow Up By: CraigB - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:10
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:10
Yeah I know and that's what I use now. Was just trying to make a little more room inside. I usually have the family with me so a bladder along the rear passenger floor isn't really an option.
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Follow Up By: Road Warrior - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 21:37
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 21:37
That was the first thing I thought of too - the vehicle's centre of gravity. Hadn't actually considered the toxicity of the plastic - that's just as bad if not worse!
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Reply By: obee1212 - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:04
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:04
31 litres is 31 kilos up high where you least want the weight and the wind drag.
owen
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:04
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:04
Storm
water pipe will be too light and will go brittle
Pressure pipe is what you want.
Dont forget to allow for extra weight when loading roof rack
31 litres plus the weight of the pipe is a third of a lot of roof rack capaciities
So if you have an ARB steel rack and the
water it will already be 70kg before anything else is put in it.
Just a thought.
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Follow Up By: CraigB - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:18
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:18
I was going to attach it to my homemade basket which for a better description is the same as a Bushranger brand basket. The basket is only used when going on longer trips when the extra storage space is required. So it shouldn't have the problem of going brittle from prolonged exposure (I was also going to paint it). I would have thought that storm
water pipe would more than able to handle the job - but I stand to be corrected.
I have also given careful consideration to the weight factor.
Regards
CraigB
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Follow Up By: viz - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 20:50
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 20:50
Something else - something called "free surface effect" - a tank or
water container (or fuel) HALF full can be more detrimental to stability than a full tank. If you have say a tube left and right side of the rack, interconnected by a cross tube,
water will flow from one side to the other, making some radical changes in the centre of gravity as you are driving. Personally I do not think having
water tanks on the roof rack is safe.
I have a 45 litre tank in the dead space behind the rear
seat. Works real
well and is entirely unnoticeable while driving (except for some gurgling noises :)
viz
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 07:18
Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 07:18
I used to think stormwater pipe was "just plastic" - until I tried to get rid of some by smashing it with a spade - a waste of time, it's amazingly tough.
If you paint it, it won't degrade from UV radiation.
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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 13:08
Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 13:08
I agree Mike - if stormwater pipes went brittle in the sun, many of us would have crumbly downpipes on our houses.
I'd think the bigger issue is how much weight there is sloshing around on the roof. But I can hardly tell someone not to have 30L of
water on the roof when I have a 65kg roof-top tent - although at least the weight of the tent doesn't slosh around!
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 18:06
Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 18:06
I went into Tradelink in
Geraldton a couple of weeks ago to get some pipe for two things. Firstly a waste pipe for our washing machine and secondly 150mm for a pole carrier for the van.
I said I wanted some downpipe ( as in stormwater) He said no you dont you want pressure pipe and showed me the difference in the wall thickness of the two.
Pressure pipe is about double the wall thickness of downpipe and hence I bought the pressure pipe.
Would think down pipe would take less knocks to crack it for that reason alone.
Cheers
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Reply By: prado-wolf - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:04
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:04
I have a set up of 3 x 90 mm pipe accross the roofrack at the front with a hose running down the side of the
snorkel with a tap and a further bit of hose on the bonnet level. Is excellent for the quick coffee stop and washing the hands after a tyre change.
I have now disgared the 3 x 90 mm and will replace it with 1 x 150 mm tube.
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Reply By: Member - Mick O (VIC) - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:11
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 19:11
Craig,
From memory I used the 200mm pipe or thereabouts. Was only 1.5m long though and held about 22l. I fixed it to the basket with large hose clamps. Just remember to set the rear of the pipe at a slightly higher angle than the front (sorry if I'm telling you something you already know). I think I also had a separate breather/release pin on the top to facilitate both filling and emptying. Saved having to screw the cap off each time. Photo below is not the best but gives some idea. Sat on the roof bars beside the basket
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Cheers Mick
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 02:17
Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 02:17
Mick
You alway have a good old load on the roof (against all the experts advise) and never seem to have any problems with it.
I have and two roof racks now ,Prado and Troopy I could not leave
home without it.
I don't have as much up there as you, and have not had any problems ever..
Cheers
Richard
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 21:07
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 21:07
I had two 20 litre jerry cans and just fit it in the back where there is space
Dont take up much room if standing upright.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 21:23
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 21:23
Had another thought during pouring wine for wife..
Use the 4 litre wine bladders T
They will fit in smaller spaces and also if one breaks you will still have the others.
Also will have a nice tang to it when you use it
LOL
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Reply By: ian zzr - Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 21:50
Sunday, Sep 27, 2009 at 21:50
i use 100mm pipe across front of my roof cage end cap is glued with food grade silicon . with hose and tap down fed down snokel. is used for hand wash or emergency only and its out of the way have not noticed any ill handling full or half full
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Reply By: DIO - Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:16
Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 10:16
Why carry such a heavy commodity on the rooof when you could use water bladders, jerry cans (plastic approved for water) or even a purpose built container designed to instal low down in the vehicle thus keeping the C.O.G. down and reducing the risk of roll-over etc. I would avoid using any plastic to store drinking water that was NOT approved as such for human consumption.
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Reply By: Member - Redbakk (WA) - Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:13
Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 11:13
Hi CraigB.......I see the nay sayers are all still here...lol.......But it is an excellent idea that I have used and others also with no effect on vehicle handling that I would notice while driving in the rough or otherwise.
Out of all of them I liked Johns the best....he had a U shaped design that he filled/topped up with a 12 volt pump from the tubes he had mounted under his side steps of his troopy.....never damaged them either in all his travels although he painted them black to stop algae growth.
The top top tube assembly would heat up during the day and he and his Colleen would then use it to have their showers at days end......he had a screw on bit with a shower rose...it was absolutely brilliant and I loved it....so easy and usefull.
For their drinking water they used a seperate supply which they kept out of the light the same as I do.
I am not sure of the size but I think his was 100mm size pipe held to the rack by SS hose clamps as I did.
Being round at the front end of the rack it reduced wind resistance as well.
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Reply By: Member - Iceman (VIC) - Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 21:50
Monday, Sep 28, 2009 at 21:50
Hi,
I recently came back from a trip up to Ayers Rock and
Alice Springs. I used a rectangular 54Lt
water tank that fitted snugly behind the front seats. To secure it I used a couple of small load binders from my cargo barrier to the front seats which worked well. When I was at the Olgas I meet a guy from the WA who used a 250 mm dia PVC pipe and had an old fashion extendable tap. He also had one on his roof rack and used compressed air to transfer water from one tank to another. It was a great idea. The pipe was located behind the front seats as well.
Regards,
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