D4D Prado Diesel fault code problems
Submitted: Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 17:20
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Hightower
Recently my prado starting going into limp mode, that is the engine would simply stop providing power and not rev above 1100rpm. When I turned the engine off and then restarted it a few minutes later the problem was fixed, for a short time.
This is an intermittment fault going on for about 4 weeks now.
I have had it to the Toyota people and they say the code is fuel pressure problem, so they changed the injector seals and then fiddled withit, charged me $400 and then sent me on my way.
Engine stopped completely. Apparently the mechanic didn't do the system properly and then this caused the seal to blow out and diesel went everywhere and the car stopped.
Now after another 4 hours at the Toyota dealiership I have a code that the air temp is wrong so they changed that, but now can't get the fault to clear so the engine warnign light is on all the time now.
They did say they were quite happy for me to travel between
Boulia and Alice on the Plenty/Donohue highway and the car would not break down.
Has anyone had a similar problem and how was it rectified. My prado now has 160,000 K's on it. Most of these have been on dirt and dust tracks through the cape and in the Territory.
Any suggestions would be appreciated as it seems the Toyota dealer does not have any idea how to fix the problem.
Reply By: deserter - Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 17:35
Reply By: Oztravellers - Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 17:41
Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 17:41
Sorry to hear about your problem. Maybe I'm lucky that I've got a petrol Prado.
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 18:52
Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 18:52
Well that is a real help.
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Reply By: Member - Stuart P (WA) - Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 19:15
Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 19:15
have they checked the earth points for the fuel control module and computer , on the passenger side above the kick panels? i think there is a major earth termination there
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Follow Up By: Hightower - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 19:57
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 19:57
Hi Autosparky
This suggestion has prompted a memory synapse to fire and remind me that the Mechanic that did the last service did ring to say the main start battery had gone flat and would not start the car.
This is the second time this has happened when the vehicle was in for service. Mind you I have never had a flat starter battery in all the times I have been wandering with the beasty.
The mechanic assured me he had not left the ignition on or that anything was running. All the major electric systems, like fridges etc are run off the second battery behind an isolation solenoid. This system was fitted by ARB and I have had no problems with it.
I will raise this point with the dealership.
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Reply By: Roughit Instyle - Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 19:36
Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 19:36
Hi there Hightower
Do you run genuine air filter or after market? If non genuine, what type of filter?
Pete
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Follow Up By: Hightower - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 19:51
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 19:51
Genuine Filter. The only change I have made to the intake is a
snorkel.
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Follow Up By: Roughit Instyle - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 21:00
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 21:00
Sorry can't help then, have only come across this problem before when an oil soak air filter had been used on dusty roads and affected a sensor reading.
Good luck with finding your solution
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Reply By: StormyKnight - Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 19:39
Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 19:39
They need to work out why the engine code is on, there is a reason afterall. I thought that there was a tool they could plug into the ECU & read off all the readings that the car is generating via the OBDII conector - perhaps you need to go to a bigger (better) dealer?
The right equipment will tell them exactly what is wrong....
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Follow Up By: Ino - Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 20:04
Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 20:04
At the risk of derailing the thread, I might add that having the right
tools is only half the job. Having the right brain to interpret the
tools is the other half.
There's a lot of truth in the old saying about "the monkey with a razor".
Put it this way - my background is IT. I do fault analysis and complex problem tracking for a living. I get really depressed when I see a PFY (Pimple Face Youngster - think "line attendants" from the Simpsons) coming around with a list of potential fixes - one more expensive than the other, one riskier than the other that the replacement will be done the wrong way. I've learned (the expensive way) to ask for the naked facts - tell me exactly what did you find out - none of the airy-fairy interpretation of the data. Tell me what it is now, and what it is supposed to be. How you found out? What does the OBD say? What is the exact code? Is this the first vehicle with this code?
If the car is still running - I'll run the naked data by someone else for an interpretation of their own. Heck, I mean, even reasonably good responses come out of many forums these days.
If it isn't running - I damn
well start a paper trail on their sorry behinds, and damn
well check their work. I've been burned enough times by shoddy work performed at "bigger" dealerships that I trust no one who doesn't let me stand next to them while they're working on the vehicle.
Right... end of thread derailment! :) Back on tracks now.
Ino!~
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Reply By: Ino - Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 20:21
Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 20:21
HighTower,
Before you move it to wherever they told you to, get them to put that in writing. If they formally advise you that the car is drivable and it all goes south with a bang, guess who pays?
That's number one... number two: OBD engine codes, sometimes are a nightmare to interpret and causes can be multiple and sometimes seemingly unrelated. Ask for the naked data: *everything* that the OBD reader reported. And that means *ALL* the codes and their meaning for that engine model.
Three: if they willingly admitted that their mechanic rogered-up the job, they need to fix that up as a matter of urgency - *AT THEIR OWN EXPENSE*. I do not care what excuses they make up: you break it, you own it! The car did not do that when it came in here, but suddenly now, I have a problem with it, right about the same place your mechanic fiddled with and did a poor job at putting it back together. Guess what, buddy?
Four: bring the naked facts in here: what did they say the codes where, what did they work on, what didn't work, what were the findings when they really thought about it and fixed it right this time.
Sorry if this sounds harsh, but with so much bad service these days - you have to watch them like a hawk.
Ino!~
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Follow Up By: Hightower - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 20:01
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 20:01
HI Ino
I agree with your comments about appearing harsh etc. My last vehicle, which was only a Holden Adventra had so many issues, and No I didn't take it off road other than gazzeted public dirt roads.
Holden of course told me it was not their fault either, two new rear suspensions, front strut through the top mount, engine problems that turned out to be a faulity ignition coil from the get go and a list of other things.
That is why I got rid of the thing after only 11 months and 75,000 K's.
The only upside was I got out of it for what was still owing on it.
But yes I will be back onto the dealer tomorrow to have them look at the system.
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Follow Up By: Hightower - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 20:04
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 20:04
I forgot to mention in the last followup, I also notice yesterday when I backed out of the garage, diesel and oil on the garage floor.
Before it went into the Flash Toyota dealership, because they care for their customers, the Prado has never had an oil leak or diesel leak.
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Follow Up By: Ino - Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:01
Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:01
Oh... oil and diesel on the floor, hey? Now that explains the name of the dealer, doesn't it? Flash - as in "Flash-Bang"?! :)
Seriously though: hope you have it fixed in no time. Let us know what was it.
Ino!~
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 20:22
Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 20:22
quote Sorry to hear about your problem. Maybe I'm lucky that I've got a petrol Prado. quote
Don't get too cocky mate if you have the old shape model.
I met a bloke at
King Edward River crossing at his second attempt. First attempt ended with a 300Km or so tow to
Kununurra and a about a week of finding what was wrong.
Ended up being a sharp edge on the head cutting the injection loom, and a second loom he bought as a spare had the same problem.
I mentioned it to the local mechanic and NRMA agent where I live and he nodded sagely , that it was a known problem.
Regards Philip A
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Follow Up By: Wherehegon - Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 22:51
Tuesday, Nov 03, 2009 at 22:51
Hi Philip, was just wondering what year and model you are refering to about the sharp edge on the head ??? Regards Steve
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Reply By: Blaze (Berri) - Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 22:04
Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 22:04
I did just read somewhere, that the earth sometimes is the cause of a lot of the computer problems, suggested fix was add an extra earth straight from the battery to the Engine and the body panels.
Worth a try I guess....
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Follow Up By: dbish - Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 22:26
Saturday, Oct 31, 2009 at 22:26
I agre Blaze Most people tend to forget about earths, alot of weird faults & codes can be generated by faulty earths in cluding not starting. Working as a mechanic in a ford dealership we even had ocasional problems with electronicly controled autotrans with faulty earths.
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Reply By: Hightower - Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 07:15
Saturday, Nov 07, 2009 at 07:15
Hi People
Well guess what?
After all the expensive changing of injection oil seals and screwing around, it turned out to be a faulty wire connection to the air intake temperature sensor.
I guess I can be thankful though they didn't try and stick me with another bill for the two days this took to find.
Thanks for your ideas, I passed a lot of them on in sort of what about this statements and it seems they might have actually listened, for a change, to the owner.
Keep up the good work and I'll try to provide some feedback and solutions for the members on this site.
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