Help with soldering iron and solar panel please
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Member - lyndon NT
Hi All
Some of you may remember my near death experience at the hands of a Jaycar rechargeable torch last year.
Well they sent me a $200 voucher for my inconvenience & I thought I’d better use it before they won’t honour it.
I am looking at getting a gas soldering iron, the type you refill like a lighter. Can anyone recommend what brand I should choose? They stock more than one. Also looking at getting a small solar panel (live in
Darwin) to keep my boat batteries charged when not in use. Maybe 5 watt? Don’t know anything about solar! It would be hooked up to 2 N70 size batteries. Can I just connect it to one battery with 6 mm wire and a set of alligator clips? Don’t want to go to the hassle and expense of using a regulator etc.
Thanks for your help
Lyndon
Reply By: Member - John and Val - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 11:12
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 11:12
Lyndon,
Just the one question, otherwise I 100% agree with Mainey. Are the 2 batteries connected in parallel (i.e. joined positive to positive and negative to negative)?? If so, yes, as Mainey says, it is as simple as connecting a small (eg 5W) panel to either of them, no regulator required.
If the batteries are in series though (negative of one connected to positive of the other), then you have a 24 volt system. You would either need 2 small 12 volt panels, also connected in series, or need to connect the one 12 volt panel to each (not both) of the batteries in turn.
Very likely to be in parallel, but suggest
check before committing.
Cheers
John | J and V
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 12:37
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 12:37
Hi
John
This is why I like this
forum, lots of people with more brains than me:)
I'm not sure but having a guess I would say parallel. The boat just had one battery in it and then an auto electrician added another for better starting and running a fridge,power a 12 volt light, just for the day while boating. Not a deep cycle set up. I guess if i can just plug an engel or 12 volt light in it must be parallel?
Cheers Lyndon
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 12:43
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 12:43
John, is in series what you do when you want to weld with your batteries?
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 18:34
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 18:34
Lyndon,
Almost certainly parallel if you run 12V fridge and 12V lights, but worth checking before you commit. (Many fridges are made to operate off both 12 and 24V.)
Series connection uses 2 batteries to provide 24 volts and is often used in larger rigs, trucks etc. Can also be used for welding, BUT..... there is more to it than just 2 batteries in series, including some quite subtle but important stuff, and skill in welding. Not a good way to start learning to weld, as the voltage, current, inductance aren't really right which makes it hard, and batteries are expensive!
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Reply By: Shaz & Col - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 11:13
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 11:13
I've tried 3 different brands of gas irons and still cant recommend any, dangerous in engine bays, under dashes or boat bilges, you have to be very careful of your surroundings because of the open flame .
I use soldering irons everyday with work and the gas irons are high maintenance and fiddly, igniter fails and they block up. I use a 300 watt, 80 watt, 40 watt and 25 watt 240 volt electric irons, and they last for years. 40 or 80 watt will do just about anything in a handyman situation. I use a small inverter, "12volt to 240 volt" in my work vehicle and my 80 watt iron would run for 3 hours 5 days a week and never needs anything but a clean. 12 volt irons are good for small work . Jaycar can help with any of these options, hope this helps.
Col.
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Follow Up By: Member - lyndon NT - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 12:31
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 12:31
Thanks Col
Didn't really think of the open flame issues. I just liked the idea of the convenience. Have a diesel motor so no issue under the bonnet but then I go to use on the outboard and forget ....... BOOM :)
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 13:04
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 13:04
I agree with Col. I am always burning insulation with the butane soldering iron (can't see the flame) and, they don't work
well upside down as fuel gets pushed up into
the tip.
KK
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Follow Up By: Member - Murray R (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 13:38
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 13:38
Lyndon
Scope make a 12 volt soldering iron and is good for small jobs, not sure weather Jaycar sell them though. I use the old style one that you heat up on a gas stove or ring that old plumbers use. You can use them anywhere as long as you have the gas stove and with asharp point are good for small and big jobs.
Murray
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Reply By: Boobook2 - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 18:15
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 18:15
There is one, and only one noticable charge when you buy one of those 5w solar panels. That is the one that happens at the cash register when you buy it.
They are as good as useless when connecting to 70AH plus of batteries. Under normal conditions it will take about 8 months to charge 100AH - if it ever gets there at all and if every load is disconnected. They are really only of any use for low current LED light applications and small batteries. ( keeping in mind that you only get about 3w of usable power at 12v), that's about 180mA in blinding sun.
I love Jaycar, but it is not the place to buy solar panels. If that is what you need, go for 10 - 40w ones on ebay for similar prices to Jaycar's 5w ones. They are all chinese units ( inc Jaycar).
I have also had a few gas soldering irons, agree with most of the comments, go for a 12v one.
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 18:46
Sunday, Nov 01, 2009 at 18:46
G`day Boobook2,
" I love Jaycar, but it is not the place to buy solar panels. If that is what you need, go for 10 - 40w ones on ebay for similar prices to Jaycar's 5w ones. They are all chinese units ( inc Jaycar). "
Jaycar
Bendigo sell 80 w BP solar panels which I understand are more than OK.
They may sell others also, I am not sure, maybe different branches sell various sizes and brands.
You may even end up with a panel with a brand name on it, which is less than likely if you buy one from ebay.
Cheers
Scrubby
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 06:23
Monday, Nov 02, 2009 at 06:23
Sorry Scrubby, I didn't mean to imply that they sell rubbish quality panels, just that they are relatively expensive. They sell BP as
well as a few chinese ones.
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