Buying a Landcruiser 80 or 100 series
Submitted: Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 00:10
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Member - Roger N (WA)
I am in
Perth and have no previous experience with Landcruisers or Toyota. I want to buy a Landcruiser to do
Gibb River Rd and central desert next year, and then hopefully in a couple of years pull a van through the eastern states. I am planning to spend 20-25k.
The advice received from friends and others is to get an 80s series diesel as the 100 series were not as good. However I have also been told the diesel motor in the 80 series lacks power.
I would appreciate any comments that may help with selecting the best option and any advice regarding what to look for when buying.
Reply By: Richard Kovac - Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 00:46
Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 00:46
Roger
I have never owned ever of these vehicles but have driven them a work vehicles, if it was me I would go for a 2003 Toyota Landcruiser Standard HZJ105R or there about.
it has the same ruining gear as my Troopy (sort of) and will go any where.
Rebook
Regards
Richard
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Reply By: Richard W (NSW) - Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 06:37
Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 06:37
Roger,
As said for your price range. Bit sluggish but will do the job.
The IFS Turbo Diesels haven't got the same articulation in the front but are a more comfortable to drive and will still go most
places but are a bit scarce and more expensive.
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Follow Up By: Who was that again? (Vic) - Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 22:33
Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 22:33
Richard, you are right. They are more expensive as anyone who has one, knows he can't buy a better one. A bloke with a beam front axle jacked up Nissan said to me the other day, he had never gone anywhere, my IFS Landcruiser hadn't been able to go. The 100 is a lot more comfortable to drive than the 80 and the vehicle will be newer and the parts be made for longer.
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Reply By: Member - Josh J (NT) - Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 08:57
Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 08:57
Roger,
The HZJ105 series landcruisers are a great vehicle but once loaded up and especialy if towing are rather gutless, nether the less the 1HZ's if properly maintained are an excellent engine.
2003 saw some slight upgrades in the 100 series, this included the installation of an EGR (Exhaust Gas recirculation) system to the 1HZ's in order to meet emission's requirments, though some owners have been known to block this (This is Illegal).
To improve power output of the 1HZ they can be turbo'd however it is important that the boost is not set to high as this will dramatically reduce the life of the engine, though boost can be increased with the addition of an intercooler. Would not recommend buying a turbo'd 105 series unless you know the owner and know exactly what the vehicle has done and how it has been set up.
Other then that the 100's are a great vehicle with no other major problems, For the price you are looking to spend you would pick your self an excellent factory turbo 80 series with the multi valve 1HD-FT engine, these are a great engine and you will find that some are transplanting these into 100 series to replace the 1HZ's.
Which ever vehicle you go for make sure you do not rush into purchasing one, ensure it has a full service history with oil and filter changes every 5,000Km, have a trusted mechanic go right over the vehicle to check for any potential problems.
A good web site for you to pick up more info is the LCOOL site, register on there and ask the questions and you will find out all the info and advice you are after.
www.lcool.org
Good luck and happy exploring
Jolly
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 18:42
Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 18:42
As far as the " Other then that the 100's are a great vehicle with no other major problems," part you wrote goes,
well i disagree abit there. i own a 105 series and have already busted the crown wheel and pinion in my front diff (and i wasn't do anything hard at the time that should have broken it), this is a common breakage on the 100 series, have a read on LCOOL and you will find plenty of other owners who have done the same. i have also put the fan into my radiator on a
creek crossing up at
Cape York, luckily for me i didn't hole the radiator, just snapped a fin off the fan and put some nasty gouges in the radiator core. this is also a common occurring fault with the 100 series cruisers with plenty of other people having done the same to their vehicles.
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Follow Up By: Krakka - Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 05:58
Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 05:58
I think you would have to conceed that the fan pushing into the radiator would have to be a Driver problem rather than a problem with the 100s, maybe too fast entry into the
water, no blind across the front of the vehicle!
Krakka
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Follow Up By: Member -Toonfish - Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 07:21
Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 07:21
Also done a crown and pinion in our fj105 within weeks of purchasing our cruiser.
while i love the comfort factor ,gxl appointment and difflocks weak diffs always worry me!
I wish i had taken longer to get a turbo diesel gu patrol.
live and learn
still love the car but its always in the back of your mind.
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Follow Up By: Member - Josh J (NT) - Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 08:34
Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 08:34
Couldn't agree more with the fan through the radiator, sounds more like operator error to me...as for the front diff, ye'h they are a problem..when and if
mine does eventually go ill stick an air locker in it...i think all cars are going to have their faults it does not matter what you buy, but if they are not flogged and are maintained correctly you minimise the risk of things occuring...dodgy front diff or not i still love my cruiser and would not hesitate in buying another...
Jolly
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 18:09
Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 18:09
yeah it must have been my fault with the fan when i was crawling through in 2nd gear lowrange, speed definately wasn't a factor. i will conceed that i wasn't using a blind but the
water was only knee deep, and considering i'd already done nolans crossing earlier at bonnet depth without a drama then i didn't think it necessary for only knee deep
water, apparently i was wrong.
do a search about fans into radiators on 100 series (like i did on my return from the cape) and you will find plenty of people who have done the same. i know of atleast six 100 series cruisers that put fans into radiators up at
Cape York in 2006 within a 4 week period whilst i was up there, it is quite common.
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Follow Up By: Richard W (NSW) - Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 06:14
Friday, Nov 06, 2009 at 06:14
Yep. I've done 2 at slow speed. Had a new bash plate made which I thought had fixed the problem after doing the OTL in July. Got a slight mark up on the last trip to Central Australia in October and didn't go through any
water. i'm getting the mechanic to pressure check the radiator next service.
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Reply By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:37
Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:37
Look for a turbo diesel 95-97 in an 80 series, it wont feel a van on the back, it still has a live front end and will go up any track within reason. They are very economical, returning comparable figures to the std diesels, This motor then became the electronic diesel of the 100, which had IFS
suspension. They have been up until now very hard to find but they are becoming more readily available. The thing the hdj80 has over the hzj105 is strength, both in the front diff and the gearbox. The hdj100 has big problems with its front diff and
suspension arms if you use it in the bush.(not to mention the thousands it costs to modify them and lift them. If you type in toyota turbo in ebay, you will find one for 16k that looks the goods.
Andrew
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:39
Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 09:39
Find one as in hdj80 gxl auto white with ABS.
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Follow Up By: Member - Timbo - Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 14:09
Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 14:09
"...will go up any track within reason."
Even with THAT front bumper?! Is that why they call you DOZER :-)
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Follow Up By: Member - DOZER- Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 19:02
Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 19:02
LOL the piccy is of a japanese version of my D9 (couldnt you tell)....it would do
well in the US, where u snowplough your street and send the hours spent into the local council, who pay you for your effort :)
Andrew
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Reply By: Member - Roger N (WA) - Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 21:31
Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 21:31
I appreciate the helpful advice. I will have a look through the LCOOL website as suggested. I will also have a look at ebay.
When I am looking at vehicles, can you give me an idea of the mileage that is reasonable? At what mileage would an average motor need to be reconditioned? Is the motor the only major component that needs reconditioning?
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Follow Up By: rumpig - Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 22:05
Wednesday, Nov 04, 2009 at 22:05
you'll have to join LCOOL to view anything other then the
classifieds section i think from memory
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:05
Thursday, Nov 05, 2009 at 01:05
heck no a motor is usually the least of your concerns with a 4by
they have a multitude of very expensive items that need to be checked thoroughly
I could spend at least 10 grand on my 80 tomorrow getting it perfect and not touch the motor except for the rear main which would be done when changing the clutch and getting the dicky synchros fixed for the gearbox
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