Redbook - are their prices accurate?

Submitted: Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 17:57
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I was just having a look at some prices on Redbook and was wondering how accurate they actually are. Here were a couple that caught my eye:

$33,800 - $37,500 - 2004 Prado Grande (auto) petrol
$19,300 - $21,700 - 2006 Hyundai Santa Fe (auto) petrol

Checking out the cars for sale, the asking prices are waaaaay above what's in Redbook. Can you realistically expect to buy the above cars for something in the Redbook range?
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Reply By: Fab72 - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 18:05

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 18:05
IMO, Redbook always seems to low-ball prices. Second hand car yards swear by it when offering you next to nix for your trade in but dismiss it when you question their seemingly over priced cars for sale.

Do your research using real cars and real prices from sites like Carsales and Trading Post.

Hope that helps.....
Fab.
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Follow Up By: garbage - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 18:15

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 18:15
But how do you gauge actual selling prices?
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Follow Up By: Member - Lia H (SA) - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 18:17

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 18:17
MMmmmm, as in every other market, something is only worth what someone else is willing to pay for it.

Someone gets their heart set on something - $$$ - if there's no market for it...no dollars, no matter HOW good it is.

I've found RB to be accurate...but lowish as has been said.
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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 19:25

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 19:25
Q: But how do you gauge actual selling prices?

A: As I said..."Do your research using real cars and real prices from sites like Carsales and Trading Post."

Use the rule that no-one pays full asking price. So if a car is advertised for say $31990...chances are it was sold for $30000.

The asking prices on these websites are far more accurate than a Redbook guess-timate. Redbook doesn't allow for fundamental things like condition of tyres, length of registration, accessories, low/high kms, condition of paint/rust, dents....the list goes on.


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Follow Up By: Batman69 - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 23:26

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 23:26
Something to remember is that prices advertised by dealers need to be listed as drive away prices... this will inflate them above the redbook value.

Also it is fine to say check out websites like carsales and the trading post for car prices, but keep in mind that cars that are listed that don't sell for long periods of time are over priced. If the price was right they would sell. So if you check for a few weeks and keep seeing the same cars then the price is probably too high.

As an example a mate of mine was wanting to buy a Kluger, he found a good low mileage one that had been sitting in a yard for months that was over priced, he made an offer below the redbook retail value and the deal was done.

The only real factor that sets pricing is demand, if someone wants a car bad enough they will pay what they can afford, and sometimes more...
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Reply By: Member - Josh (TAS) - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 18:21

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 18:21
Insurance companies will also use red book to value your car. I have often wondered who developed red book (which insurance company lol). Their prices are usually way under the general asking price of most models. The only time you can reliable used red book prices is to work out who much you will loose on a trade-in. 3 car yards quoted us $8000 trade-in for our heavily modified cruiser cause that's what red book told them the price was. I got offered more than double that for it. (Note to self "change profile for vehicle") Not sure how they come up with the prices they do but anything we looked at with the price they quoted was not worth buying.

Josh
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 20:45

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 20:45
I am the suspicious type who understands that the Redbook private sales values are taken from State transfer statistics.

And of course no one ever states a value on the transfer lower than the price paid to reduce the stamp duty. No one would do that would they?

Regards Philip A

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Reply By: Dave B ( BHQ NSW) - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 20:47

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 20:47
I think the Red Book prices are generally just a depreciated figure from new price of the vehicle. Each month the price goes down a touch, regardless of market conditions.

As for the right buying price, who knows. How do you work out the right price for a house, or an antique dining room suite or a painting?
Just depends on what the buyer will offer and how much the seller really wants to sell it.

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Reply By: Member - reggy 2 (VIC) - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 21:32

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 21:32
I have an heated discussion with my insurance company every year as they use GLASS'S GUIDE which is a different price to the red book.
I have a 79 series landcr which my ins comp said it was worth $41500 but you cannot find a vehicle in a used car yard under $45000.
As said on other response's check a few yards and internet sites
cheers reggy2
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Reply By: ozwasp - Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 23:18

Tuesday, Nov 24, 2009 at 23:18
Try doing a completed listings search on Ebay - the ones in green have actually sold.

I find this gives a reasonably accurate value of cars - although they tend to be on the lower side.
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Reply By: blueriderwa - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 09:20

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 09:20
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Reply By: ralphlulu - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:07

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 11:07
Hi ! I have been in the motor industry since 1976 and only then up to early eighties were the red book reasonably accurate.I have never used it since! Now days carsales.com.au have taken over the industry with great success and is the best guide by far.
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Reply By: TerraFirma - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 14:34

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 14:34
A car is worth what someone is prepared to pay for it and conversley what someone is prepared to sell it for, the point being , crunch crunch and crunch until they call you "Chinese"...!

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Reply By: Secret Mens Business - Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 14:38

Wednesday, Nov 25, 2009 at 14:38
Arrgh.. No Volvo XC70 in there Garbage? You be learning quickly matey.......
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