toyota h engine oil pump
Submitted: Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 21:50
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Alec L
i have a landcruiser hj45 with a h engine. the oil pressure is pretty low when the engine warms up. in the mornings i have to start it about 3 times as the oil pressure hasnt built up enough. when i have turned the engine off when it is hot, half an hour later when i go to start it i have to start it twice as it cuts out because i think of low pressure. at idle when the engine is hot the guage is real low. is it possible to recondition the oil pump? if so where would i get this done at? or could i do it myself? how difficult is it to take it out? and is the pump the problem?
Reply By: Richard Kovac - Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 22:04
Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 22:04
Alec
A pump creates flow, pressure is the sum of resistance, so meaning the resistance to the flow will create pressure. bigends, littleends, cam shaft bushes anywhere oil can get out.
Sorry
Richard
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Follow Up By: Alec L - Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 23:00
Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 23:00
so my motor is buggered?
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Follow Up By: Member - ross m (WA) - Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:28
Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 10:28
Not necessarily, engines can go for a long time with low oil pressure as long as you dont over stress them.
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 23:13
Friday, Dec 18, 2009 at 23:13
Assuming it's a gear type pump (most of them are, AFAIK), these can and do wear, and yes they are re-buildable..
To remove, it's usually as simple as removing the sump and removing a few bolts ;-)
The first thing I would check (always start with the simple things) is the relief valve.. could be as simple as a 'tired' or broken spring.. Will do no harm to give it a clean anyway;-) ...
As stated above, excessive bearing clearance will lower oil pressure, but if she ain't rattlin' I wouldn't be too concerned about that (yet)...
Have you tried a heavier viscosity oil?
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 00:46
Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 00:46
heavier viscosity only masks the symptom.
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Reply By: dbish - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 00:24
Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 00:24
Hi Alec L if its got an electric oil gauge I would tmperarily fit a mechanical gauge &
check first, & make sure oil gallery to gauge fitting isnt blocked with sluge. Daryl
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 06:45
Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 06:45
As you probably know the the H & 2H motors have two oil pressure senders, one for the gauge and one for the EDIC (Electronic Diesel Injection Control) system which is Toyota's way of saying there is an electric motor to move the rack from stop, start and run positions as you turn the ignition key. This second oil pressure sensor detects engine oil pressure and in the event that there isn't any it shuts the engine down to prevent damage. This is because these motors and many others with inline injection pumps will quite happily run in either direction, it is quite funny when it happens, huge quantities of black smoke out the aircleaner which of course is nicely coated with soot on the inside of the element. The problem is that the oil pump is running backwards, sucking oil from the engine and blowing it into the sump, not good for oil pressure!
First step would be to get a proper calibrated gauge to see what the oil pressure actually is.
If it is down
check the oil pressure relief valve as they do gum up, get weak or broken springs etc.
I would be getting a diesel mechanic to
check it properly as they have the knowledge and the experience to ascertain what the problem is.
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Reply By: Member - Kevin B1 (WA) - Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:21
Saturday, Dec 19, 2009 at 11:21
Alec,,,The oil pump on the H engine is located on the front of the crank shaft behind the timing cover. You can easyly
check the relief valve and spring as there is a big nut 1 inch from memory on the right hand side behind the front crank pully. Undo
the nut with a ring spanner and then remove the spring and slide, there is a steel ball behind that.
Check the tension of the spring, there is a nominal length but can't remember off hand what it is. I would replace this spring with a new one as they are not expensive and should still be available. They did have a habit of loosing tension over time and may just fix your problem. Also
check the
seat behind the ball as this can be worn and leaking but if so would need the oil pump removed. To do that it's radiator out front pully off, timing cover off then oil pump. Quite likely the spring though and if the vacuum in your brakes has not been to good lately this would also confirm it and that is not a joke. Hope this helps you out.
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Follow Up By: qubert - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 22:39
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 22:39
it could be a joke....cuase the vacuum pump for the brakes is on the alternator
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Follow Up By: Member - Kevin B1 (WA) - Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 21:44
Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 21:44
Yes it is, and the reason the oil pressure can affect the vacuum is that the vanes in the vacuum pump rely on the oil pressure to force them out against the cam. Result low oil pressure low vacuum.
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Reply By: Mikee5 (Logan QLD) - Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:26
Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 12:26
Alec,
I had the H engine too. The oil filter is a cartridge type and does not have any type of anti-flow back valve. My engine too did this, the oil drained out of the filter and you had to start the engine twice before the pressure built up and it didn't cut out. I didn't solve the problem on
mine so sorry I can't help. I thought on
mine it would be some sort of check valve or non-return valve as others have suggested here. If you can work out where they are and which one has worn - I think you should solve the problem. Good luck.
As an aside, it is funny listening to people complaining about the 'gutless' 1HZ - they should try driving the H diesel :)
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Reply By: Alec L - Wednesday, Dec 23, 2009 at 14:55
Wednesday, Dec 23, 2009 at 14:55
thanks all for the advice, a big help ;)
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