Filling dual water tanks on caravan
Submitted: Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:59
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eddyafro
Greetings.
I cannot fill both tanks on my Concept Ascot van, even with a hose it will only partially fill, if at all, the forward tank. Just overflows from filler, even if feed in at a trickle pace. Can fill top tank ok.
Have checked hoses for kinks, blockages and airlocks but nothing obvious. Driving me nuts. Can anyone shed some light?
Cheers Eddyafro
Reply By: Notso - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 13:18
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 13:18
Is there an Air Bleeder outlet on the top of the second tank? When you say "Top Tank" is one tank lower than the other?
How does the second tank fill? Is there a T piece in the filler hose, or does it fill be gravitation from the first tank.
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Reply By: jabiru340 - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 13:26
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 13:26
Had the same problem.
I think the best solution is to have a bigger dia hose connecting the 2 tanks.
However, I have seem to have solved by using a larger hose connected to the the normal hose at the intake so that there is a tight fitting in
the neck of the intake and also by opening the tap at the sink.
I believed what happens is that the second tank gets filled with air and restricts the flow of
water through the connecting hose to the second tank.
By having the tight fit on the intake and opening the kitchen sink tap the trapped air is forced through allowing
water to freely move in the connecting hose and stops the restriction.
Anyway that's my theory and it works.
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Reply By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 14:06
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 14:06
A helpful fellow at
Burketown saw me struggling to fill our tanks (same problem as you) and told me to turn one tank off (outlet/ isolator tap near the tank) and fill each separately. Seems to work
well now.
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Reply By: Member - Alan John C (WA) - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 14:26
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 14:26
Eddyafro we had same problem with our windsor and I connected a new filler line from front of van into the current filler line that connects the tanks together and connect the hose to this and remove orundo the lock filler which manufacturer installed and this allow
water in at lowest point and due to the manufacturers filler being higher it allows the air to escape out there. The cap doesn't need to be taken off but allows air to escape faster.
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Reply By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 14:43
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 14:43
I force fill my 2 tanks one at a time through the drain taps.
Gets them 100% full and flushes them at the same time.
I have isolation taps between them on both the filler hose as
well as the suction hose and use the tanks one at a time.
This worked
well for me on my last
Birdsville trip when we lost the
water on the rear tank but the front tank was still 100% full.
Regards
Derek.
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Follow Up By: awill4x4 - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 16:11
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 16:11
Derek, I fill the single
water tank on my caravan exactly the same way, through the drain plug. It allows the entire filler neck to act as a breather and makes it an easy excercise.
You just have to be careful not to be too enthusiastic connecting/disconnecting the hose as the plastic fittings can break.
Regards Andrew.
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 18:22
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 18:22
Hi Andrew
I changed over to brass fittings, hoses are covered in split tube for extra protection now after the
Birdsville trip.
Regards
Derek
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 18:37
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 18:37
If you look at this photo you will see my drains. They are long hoses that sit tucked away on the rear bumper with male garden hose fittings and caps on.
I simply pressure fill without needing to get under the van.
To drain I simply pop the caps off and lay the hoses on the ground.
Works very
well.
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 18:46
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 18:46
Derek, thanks for that info, you may have helped with the same drama on my van also a Supreme, not a Getaway we have a Spirit which we are happy with but filling the tanks has always been a long drawn out affair. I will modify the plumbing to fill through the drains and remove the filler caps to bleed air.
Thanks and cheers
Pop
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Follow Up By: ABR - SIDEWINDER - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 18:53
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 18:53
Hi Pop
Also make sure the bleed tubes on top of the tanks are not kinked or blocked, when I received my van the bleed tubes were crushed flat between the tanks and the underside of the floor. If these bleed tubes are blocked you may also never fill the tanks completely.
Regards
Derek.
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Reply By: Ianw - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 19:26
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 19:26
I used to have problems too until I discovered what the problem was. If you put a hose into the filler, the
water floods the filler neck and blocks the air coming out of the bleeder hole which is just inside the filler neck. To stop this I make sure the hose goes a small way down the pipe connected to the filler. This allows the air to exit the breather hole and you can fill at max flow of the tap. Can be a bit tricky to get the hose down the pipe (have to bend the end a bit). I have plans to build a piece of hose with a small amount of copper pipe bent to the correct angle to make this easier and have a connector on the end to fit the hose. This should make it a lot easier to get it into the pipe.
Ian
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Follow Up By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 21:24
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 21:24
Ian,
Getting the short piece of hose into the filler pipe is easier if you cut or grind a long angle on the end at the top. I found it was the "top edge" of the end of the hose that stopped it from going into the pipe.
Geeez it is difficult to explain things sometimes , hope this helps. LOL
I like the idea of filling though the drain hoses, another job for the "Gunna Do List"
Merry Christmas,
Scrubby.
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Reply By: MEMBER - Darian (SA) - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 19:39
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 19:39
Me too at times - we have 3 tanks on the Trakmaster, with the 3 fillers at the rear - no snags at all with the two back tanks but the front one can be a $#@&^*% nuisance when wanting to save time - with the van quite level, I can fill the front tank but it has to be done at a trickle - any more than the trickle and it air locks every time. I have checked the various hoses underneath and re rigged them here and there to remove the odd kink from the factory (to no good effect of course !). Re the suggestion of back filling it from the drain - I like that one - to be investigated ! :-o)
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Reply By: Brian (Montrose, Vic.) - Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 20:42
Sunday, Dec 20, 2009 at 20:42
I just started useing the drain fitting on ours one day because it seemed easier tto just hook the hose up to it and wander off. Certainly works better than using the filler, which air locks continually, I just have to make sure the filler cap is off or I can flood out the van if not careful!
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Reply By: Member - Tony S (WA) - Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 00:54
Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 00:54
Merry Christmas all.
All these suggestions work to a point.
This is all done with the black poly retic. gear.
The only way to really fix the problem properly, is to drop the tanks .
If the tanks are the black poly ones, on top you will find a recess with a thread in it .Also a small hole that is supposed to be a breather.
Next Drill a 10 or 12mm hole down in the recess where the breather is.
Buy a poly 12mm threaded male 90 degree barbed elbow and a plain barbed elbow.[or as many as you need] together with enough 12mm black poly tube to extend over the tank .
Screw the threaded elbow into the recess, attach the tube and then push the plain elbow in pointing downwards. That just stops the dust getting into the tank.
Don't forget to put the tanks back. HEEE Cheeky sod arnt I !!
Well you never know.
Seriously, it does not take long to do.
That is what I did to
mine and no more filling problems.
Tony
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Reply By: pjk - Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 08:02
Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 08:02
Hi all Had this problem all you do is wrap a hanky around the end of the hose and holld it in tight in the filler end and you will over come the back pressure. Buy doing this you get a better seal around the hose Yours PJK
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:02
Monday, Dec 21, 2009 at 11:02
Provided of course you have an open bleed line somewhere else to let the air out.
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Reply By: aka - Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 20:42
Tuesday, Dec 22, 2009 at 20:42
Same problem all l did was cut a piece of hose about a foot long put hose fittings on then just push it down the filler pipe lets the air out and fill up 2 tanks very quick
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Follow Up By: Member - Patrick (QLD) - Wednesday, Dec 23, 2009 at 14:48
Wednesday, Dec 23, 2009 at 14:48
Was the "foot long" hose sized to make a tight fit to force the
water into the tank?
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Reply By: aka - Wednesday, Dec 23, 2009 at 20:06
Wednesday, Dec 23, 2009 at 20:06
l used a hose that went in easy so the air could come out up the sides
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