Does a WDH allow a vehicle to legally exceed its towball/towbar weight carrying
Submitted: Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:40
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PeterInSa
If a vehicle has a towball/bar capacity of 250Kg and able to tow a van up to 2500Kg, If the van has a towball weight of 300Kg and then connected to the vehicle without the WDH setup the back of the vehicle drops say by 60cm, the same drop if the vans towball weight was 230kg. When the van with the 300kg towball weight is connected and the WDH fitted the vehicle is level, therefore 70KG has been moved from the back of the towbar to the front, ie there is now 230KG weight on the towbar and the vehicle is legal towing the van with a 300kg towball weight.
This does not apply to my Cruiser/van, it’s a mind game that I do not know the answer to, after reading earlier threads about ATM/ towball weights etc etc.
Peter
Reply By: Mikee5 (Logan QLD) - Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:49
Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 10:49
In your scenario, you do not change the towball mass, it remains 300kg. All the WDH does is transfer part of the weight forward, if you have an extra 70 kgs on the front wheels and 230kgs on the back wheels, that 300kgs has come through the towbar. So no a WDH does not solve this issue.
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Reply By: disco driver - Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:10
Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:10
PeterInSa
The short answer is a definitive
NO
Disco.
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Reply By: Olsen's 4WD Tours and Training - Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:11
Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 11:11
A WDH definitley does not change the allowed maximum towball mass or downforce. It is simply designed to restore the front
suspension and steering geometry to normal.
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Follow Up By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:42
Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 12:42
Very precisely put!!! I wish someone would explain that to the b____y caravan salesmen. That's just another furphy they spread, like you can check the weight when the van is empty - no
water, gas bottles, clothes,
camping gear, annexe etc. All told when people turn up with a mid size tug and want to buy a big van. Why is it only the insurance companies who worry about this? Why aren't the governments doing something to enforce their own rules? There are so many unsafe car/caravan combinations on the road that sometimes it can be scarey to be on the road with them. And mostly driven by retirees who have never driven anything bigger than a commodore in their lives. I guess there are too many of them and they all vote!!!
teege
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Follow Up By: Olsen's 4WD Tours and Training - Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 16:31
Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 16:31
I don't want to enter into that debate, but there Towing Education courses are available and
well worth the effort and cost
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Follow Up By: Olsen's 4WD Tours and Training - Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 16:32
Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 16:32
I must learn to edit, cut and paste properly.. I meant
I don't want to enter into that debate, but Towing Education courses are available and
well worth the effort and cost.
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Follow Up By: jomahk - Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 17:58
Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 17:58
Pretty rude; pretty presumptious and very much unsubstantiated comments from Teege. I have relations in that age group of caravanners & I think they are just great. we all get old one day & hopefully we continue to caravan. Be nice or be quiet.
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Follow Up By: Member - Teege (NSW) - Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 18:27
Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 18:27
Jomahk
I don't have a problem with people who "continue to caravan" . The one's that are my concern are the ones who get to that stage of life and have never caravanned before. You only have to spend a few days in a caravan
park to identify them. They have everything that opens and shuts and can't even
park their van. Most of the experienced caravanners aren't going out and buying the 24 ft plus monstrosities that are more and more filling up the caravan parks. I too am getting old and will continue to caravan.
teege
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 13:52
Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 13:52
A Salesman is just that hes there to make a living and some are more honest than others.
If you believe what they tell you it brings you down to their level.
Do the research, ask the questions BEFORE YOU GO LOOKING
Caveat Emptor.
There is more comes into it than in the original post as
well depending on the vehicle.
Some cannot take a full payload when the ball weight is at Maximum
Well actually none can because your ball weight is part of your payload.
Nissans have on the specs page for their models, a sliding scale for loads when towing.
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Reply By: Member - Michael P (QLD) - Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 16:06
Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 16:06
WHY? why did a very sensible & important question denigrate into a bagging of Salesmen & Retirees.
Mike
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Follow Up By: nowimnumberone - Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 17:33
Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 17:33
because salesmen(some)will tell people what ever they want to hear in order to make a sale.
some are scum of the earth
cheers
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Reply By: landed eagle - Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 17:48
Thursday, Dec 24, 2009 at 17:48
I hope it only drops 60MM not 60CM!
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