dual battery problem
Submitted: Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 14:17
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CrustyJihaad
hey all, merry xmas.
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Having a drama with my dual battery setup...
running a Projecta 100amp isolator from stating battery to a 100amp/hr AGM aux battery set up in a battery box.
problem is I keep blowing the 30amp fuse in the box,the one between the AGM and leads to the terminals on the box.With the car running it's fine for a few minutes then the fuse gets red hot till it blows.Tried running the car briefly and then turning off but the isoplator seems to be still sending current the aux,the charging indicator lights remains on,and a quick check with a volt meter across the terminals on the aux reads 13.9v the car running or not.
Disconnecting and reconnecting the isolator to the starter seems to reset it but It cant be trusted obviously.
any suggestions to check ? the isolator is less than 12 months and only been connected/used once before with no dramas.
Reply By: Member - Ray C1 (QLD) - Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 14:28
Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 14:28
Hi,
30 Amp seams a small fuse, the charge form the alternator is most likely lots more,
Try at least a 60Amp fuse
HTH
Ray
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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 16:25
Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 16:25
Before upgrading any fuse, first check the instructions for what the maximum size is for that isolator.
Cheers Craig.............
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Reply By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 14:36
Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 14:36
Gooday crusty,
the fuse definitely seems to small... hence it's getting hot. Another thing you need to check is the size of the cable between the two batterys and isolator. If that is too small, it will also generate heat problems with the high amperage that takes place during charging.
regards
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Reply By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 16:59
Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 16:59
Check out this thread and the answers by ABR Sidewinder -
here
Rgds
Mandrake
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 17:34
Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 17:34
I'm not familiar with the Projecta isolator, but if it works like many others, after you switch the ignition off, the starter and aux battery remain connected till the starter drops to a predetermined level (around 12.5 V usually). This is to use excess capacity in the starter battery, but still protect it from getting too low to start the motor.
If you have no load, it can take a long time (sometimes days) for the starter battery to drop. To
check this, after running the car for a while and switching off, turn your head lights on. This will put a load on the starter battery (and aux while they are connected). The voltage will drop fairly quickly due to the load (high beam even faster). After a few minutes, you should hear the solenoid (if the isolator has one), click out and the 'charge' light will go out.
The reason you are reading 13.9 Volts without the engine running is you have just switched off the motor and have no load. This is normal. Without load, it will drop over time as the battery rests. This is why you cannot get an accurate reading of a battery's charge with a voltmeter unless it has been at rest (no charge, no load) for about 12 hours or more.
Like the other posters, I suspect the fuse is too low. Fuses take time to blow at currents not a lot more (like several times more) than the rating. There are charts available that show this. If I can find one, I'll post it. In your case, if the actual current going into your aux is 40 to 50 Amps (which is very likely), it will take a few minutes at least for the fuse to heat up enough to blow. On the other hand, if there was a short circuit and several hundred Amps was flowing, it would take a second or 2 at most.
In the situation you have described, I use a 60 Amp reset circuit breaker.
Hope this helps.
Norm C
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 17:49
Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 17:49
Manufacturers of many fuses produce graphs that show current v time to blow.
Here is a more general explanation I found (cut and paste from another web site):
Fuse Opening Time:
A fuse does not blow when the current reaches its rated current. It is designed to pass its rated current without opening. A fuse will take varying times to blow under different conditions. A fuse will pass significantly more than its rated current for a very short time. It may take 10 minutes or more to blow a fuse at 25% over its rated current. The
table below is an example of the specifications for a slow blow fuse. You can see that a 20 amp fuse may pass 40 amps of current for as long as 5 minutes before blowing although it probably wouldn't take a full 5 minutes to blow. The times for other fuses will be slightly different.
%of amp rating Opening time
110% 4 hours minimum
135% 1 hour maximum
200% 5 minutes maximum
Norm C
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Reply By: CrustyJihaad - Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 19:44
Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 19:44
wow thanks for the quick replies guys,
hmmm I'm getting the hang of these things bit by bit,I'll take out the "glass fuse" holder that comes as part of the box and replace it with a quality blade fuse holder and throw a 60amp fuse in ... see if that cures my ailments.
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Reply By: Maîneÿ . . .- Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 22:37
Friday, Dec 25, 2009 at 22:37
You say: "Disconnecting and reconnecting the isolator to the starter seems to reset it"
I believe you have an Isolator (wiring) problem, it should be the exact same voltage when it is re-connected again.
As stated above the 13.9v is ok under the conditions stated.
However, check out the actual wiring connections of *ALL* the battery cables associated with the batteries concerned, make sure the positivevs are secure and all earths are tight without loose wire anywhere.
Maîneÿ . . .
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Reply By: Member - Alan John C (WA) - Tuesday, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:59
Tuesday, Dec 29, 2009 at 11:59
My sparky told me if you want to runany more than 15amps always use a curcuit breaker instead of fuse it has never let us down.
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