Fridge fan

Over the holiday had the Engel 40lt going in the back of the 4x4. One day
it was 46 deg in the canopy. Set on 1.5 the fridge temp rose to 7deg.
where as it was holding 1 deg before.
Thinking of putting a small 12 volt computer fan on it
My question is,would I mount the fan with the cool air blowing on the compressor or
sucking the warm air out and let the cooler enter air from the sides?
Thanks Brian
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Reply By: Notso - Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 16:34

Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 16:34
Sounds like a problem with the fridge.

It should hold 1.5 degrees in pretty well any temp.

My EVA Kool will hold -12 in that sort of heat.

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Follow Up By: Fatso - Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 17:09

Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 17:09
I am with Notso on this one Brian.
46 degrees ambient temp is not very high. Even an Engel should be expected to stay cold in that.
I would get the fridge checked out.
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Follow Up By: Wilk0 - Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:18

Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:18
Hi Brian,

It is normal with Engels(nothing is wrong with your fridge) If you dial in 2 or 3 it will hold zero or if you go to 5 it will hold minus 16 in 46c

IMHO i dont believe it would make any difference between blowing and sucking the air.

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Member - mazcan - Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 16:39

Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 16:39
hi brian
imho i would suggest that you may need a rooftop/or window mounted ext fan extractor fan on your troopy as if you install a computor fan or a solar fan inside the vehicle all it will do it blow the ever increasing hot air onto the fridge and really achieve nothing you need to extract and shift the heat build up from within if this is done then the fridge will be able to do it's own thing
cheers hope this is of help and H n yr
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Reply By: Member - Keith C (NSW) - Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 16:48

Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 16:48
G/day Brian,I did that with my 3/way in the van,I bought one with a thermo to cut in at a certain temp and put this on the floor behind the frig, facing up,then got two computer fans,one on the inlet vent on the side of the van,sucking in and another at the top exhaust vent sucking out, both wired to the thermo fan on the floor,they work very well.I am now going to put one on each side vent of my 40l Engel,that should create a cross-flow,I think i can get them inside the frame.
Regards Keith C
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Reply By: Member - Carl- Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:21

Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:21
Hi Brian

I have installed computer fans for the caravan fridge and the Engel.

Get a 12 volt ball bearing computer fan from Jaycar for about $40. I just wired them into the power supply and the run 24/7. It takes a bit to get used to the noise for a couple of nights.

Works great. The idea of sucking the hot air out of the vehicle is a good one as well. I have the set to suck rather than blow air into the fridge.
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Reply By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:25

Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:25
I think the simple answer is that the setting of 1.5 was simply too low on the day for that ambient.....

that setting is fine in a lower temp (<40) I reckon you are over reacting and should have simply wound it up a bit for that temp on that day

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Follow Up By: Member - bungarra (WA) - Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:30

Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 18:30
forgot to add we run two Engels in a solid canopy such as yours and we do have insulation on the walls and roof which does make a hell of a difference.........most times ours (the fridge 60L) is set at 1.5 and does run just over 0 deg......On a very hot day we crank it up a wisker to stay <5 deg

The freezer (40L) sits between -12 to -17 subject to Ambient

The insulation is a thin bubble type" from Bunnings only about 3 or 4 mm thick

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Reply By: benq - Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 19:02

Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 19:02
we have an Engel with a cover we leave the back and the side widow a bit open in the canopy and no trouble even when we use it as a freezer regard GG
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Reply By: Fatso - Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 21:04

Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 21:04
Sorry about this side track, but do Engels have a thermostat?
I just assumed they did.
If they had a thermostat that controlled the internal temperature it should hold that temperature once set.
With the Trailblazer I use the same thermostat setting for ambient temperatures from 60 plus to minus zero & from full sun to shade. The internal temp of the fridge doesn't change outside the thermostats settings.
If there is a thermostat & your fridge won't hold the pre-set temps then there must be something wrong with it. Especially at reasonably low ambient temps.
With modern refrigeration you should not have to be on the temperature control every time the ambient temperature changes.
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Follow Up By: Wilk0 - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 12:00

Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 12:00
Hi Fatso,

No they do not and you are right ,They should have.

It would make the engel an even betterer fridge ; ).


Cheers Wilko
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 20:47

Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 20:47
Hi Wilko
I'm not sure what Engel you have seen that does not have a thermostat.
As far as I know ALL Engels both chest & upright have a thermostat.
You know ,hat knob with numbers on it
On chest type the bulb is on the right hand side from the opening end just as the line comes into the fridge, under a protecting plate.
On uprights at the far right of the evaporator
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Follow Up By: Wilk0 - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 23:18

Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 23:18
Hi Old track123,

I'm pretty sure that the knob with numbers is purely to adjust power level.

My version of a thermostat is that you set the temp say 2 degrees, and the fridge keeps it there no matter what the outside abient temp.

I like my engel, wouldnt swap it for any other fridge, (maybe the trailblazer with 125mm insulation) but if it had a set the temp and forget feature, it would be even betterer.

Cheers Wilko
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 13:29

Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 13:29
Hi Wiko

The Engel swing motor has only one power level [flat out]If it gets 12v.
Unless you have a model which I do not know about, it will have a thermostat For location see my prev post you should see a small tube clamped to evaporator liner in the case of the chest type & to the evaporator fins on the upright

Waeco do have a variable power leval.

A possible reason for Fatso's not freezing could be under voltage .the swing motor not working to full capacity. If operating from cig sockets this can be a problem
I suggest to check voltage@ the fridge terminalswith fridge RUNNING.
Also check for any signs of local heating in plugs ,sockets cable etc, ALL of which will give low voltage.
Unlike the Waeco ,Engal do not have a low voltage cutout, as low voltage will not damage them, as it would a Waeco
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Follow Up By: Wilk0 - Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 14:04

Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 14:04
Hi Oldtrack123,

Mine and other engels i've used or observed being used are them same as Brians.

When the ambient temp increases then you have to turn the dial more to compensate.

This morning the ambient temp was 15c, I had my engel set on 1 and it was sitting on 1c.

As the day heated up to 34c, i had to turn the dial to 1.5 to maintain 1c.

If it was a hot day say 46degrees, I had to put the dial on 2 to maintain 1c.

If i wanted to achieve minus 14 on a 46 degree day, i'd have to put the dail on 5.

If i was to leave the dial set to 5 and it was a cooler day the temp inside the fridge would be minus 18.

I am looking forward to the day when you dont set the power level, but you set the temp level you want the inside of the fridge to remain at and the fridge keeps it at that level.

Cheers Wilko
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 16:12

Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 16:12
Hi WilkO

Sorry mate, but they definitely have thermostatic control ,
.Swing motor speed /power can not be varied .
It is not a conventional motor.
IT is a solenoid type pump as a simple explanation.

Pos 4 is higher than 0c

Try these two links for a start.Or just Google Engel fridge thermostat

http://www.engelaustralia.com.au/cgi-bin/faq.cgi?faq=5

http://www.leisurewarehouse.com.au/index.php?page=engel
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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 16:17

Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 16:17
Hi
Sorry something got lost.

Should read:
Pos 4<5 is freeze
Ps2.5 will normally just hold frozen goods solid.
Pos2 To "off' is above 0c
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Follow Up By: Wilk0 - Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 20:29

Monday, Jan 04, 2010 at 20:29
Hi Old track123,

It definatly reads that it has a thermostat.

Not sure it works though, Ive had it running all day on 1on the dial it was 1c @ 7.00am, 4c @ noon and down to 2c now .

Its always done it. If any Engels owners have different experiences please let me know.

Regards Wilko
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Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 21:06

Saturday, Jan 02, 2010 at 21:06
Hi Brian,
I support the view that it has to do with the fridge setting, not a problem with the fridge or the need for a fan.

Can't comment on whether a fan will help. It may help a bit.
But in terms of practical usage, we have two 40 Litre Engels and for the past 3 years have spent between 2 and 6 months per year in NT fishing. This year we spent 6 months and for the whole time, both Engels were used as freezers. On 4, they held at around -12 to -14 degrees (occasionally colder as low as -20 when there was a 'cold spell' with overnight temps below 20 degrees). On that setting, they sometimes use a fair bit of juice, with the compressor running for close to 20 hours per day (estimate) when there is a hot spell.

While this does not reflect your usage, it suggests the fridges are fine and will (within reason) maintain any temp in almost any ambient temperature, subject to the correct setting of the dial and being able to supply enough power.

Many of us notice the fridge temp variations in our camping fridges because we are paranoid about it and measure / check regularly. We don't check our home fridge, but I'm betting, without adjusting the dial, the variation between winter temp and hot summer temp, even with the unlimited power available to the home fridge, would be enough to alarm some of us if we checked it.

Fit a fan if that is likely to help, but in my experience, it is just a matter of accepting that you need to tweak the dial (and apply more stored power) based on ambient temp.

Norm C
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Reply By: greybeard - Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 12:30

Sunday, Jan 03, 2010 at 12:30
Not exactly the same as what you have but a coupel of years ago I did some investigation with fan placement on a supercheap compressor fridge ( since replaced with a waeco cf50 ) fridge test

Things to note.
1/ Air will slip around the edge of a fan very easily ( ie from air outlet to inlet of fan ).
2/ Significant improvement if you blow outside air into the fridge rather than trying to suck hot air out. Essentially the attempts at sucking hot air out require proper air tight baffles and shrouds to achieve anything. You get a similar effect on a vehicle radiator fan if you don't use a shroud and I've yet to see a radiator fan mounted at the rear of the engine bay sucking hot air.

Hope this gives you some ideas.
Rod
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