Solar Panel question.

Hi I just got a 120W solar panel & noticed in sunlight with no load that I can only measure up to 9.8Volts DC .. I tried 2 multimeters & they show the same with no current.. The panels have a charge controller on them & this is the output to the batteries..
Does this sound normal or likely to be faulty ?
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Reply By: justmyage - Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:55

Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 12:55
This is definatley not right. it should be putting out at least 14volts. have you tried measuring the voltage BEFORE the controller ?
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Reply By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 13:26

Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 13:26
The controller may need to 'see' a voltage (battery connected) before it will operate correctly (??) Try it with a battery connected (preferably with some load on the battery).. while you're there, measure the current (amps)..

What is the voltage on the 'upstream' (panel) side of the controller?

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Reply By: trainslux - Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 14:19

Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 14:19
Panel in full sun should see approximately 21 volts before the controller if you use a voltmeter.
If you use an amp meter across the panel wires, ie take them out of the controller, you should see above 7 amps.

What type of panels, one piece or 2 60w units, what type of controller?
Can it be set for different voltages like a steca, or is it a non adjustable unit?

Trains
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Follow Up By: ss--ss - Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 14:55

Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 14:55
I just plugged a 12v 8watt fluro onto the aligator clips from the panel & it turned on bit flickery but was working.. Then put the panel into the inverter & the inverter fan started running so I think it's all good..

There are 2 X 60W panels which fold out with a diode on each 60w panel that feeds into a little charge controller on one of the panels..There's no settings or adjustments for different voltages.

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Reply By: ss--ss - Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 14:27

Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 14:27
Thanks for the replies.!
I tested from the 2 panels & they are each showing around 17.5volts.. I connected the output of the controller to the batteries & it shows 12.7v so maybe it's all ok as suggested just needs a load . Without load it showed about 10v.

Most of the time there is no current however I did see 1amp a couple of times.Might be not enough sun..
First time I've used one of these clamp multimeter's ,pretty snazzy don't need to break the circuit to test current..Might have to invest in one.Been many years since I've done electrical work
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Follow Up By: trainslux - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 09:53

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 09:53
Clamp the 2 connectors together, and put in full sun. With your clamp multimeter, measure the amps over one wire.
This will show short circuit amps, and real usable amps are slightly lower than this.

If you only saw 1 amp, as mentioned earlier, that is probably all that the battery needed, or would take. If it was under load, or low, then the amps would flow freely into it until its internal resistance slowed the flow.
Ie the use of an air compressor or other high load appliance.

Let us know what it is.

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Follow Up By: ss--ss - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 14:16

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 14:16
Hi, Today is very sunny & strong sunlight.. I shorted the pos & neg from the charge controller & can see 4.2amps.. Does that mean I'm only getting 50watts from the 120W panels.. Whilst this was shorted I tested the current from the 2 panels & saw one panel 2.2amps & other 2amps ...
I also tried connecting the panel directly to a 110watt mattress pump & saw around 4amps there also..
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed. C. (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 15:27

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 15:27
What are the dimensions of the panels (LxW, single panel), and where did you buy 'em ??

Can ya see where this is headed, Trains??

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Follow Up By: oldtrack123 - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 17:35

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 17:35
Hi
Odds on they are from Ebay & are low voltage panels
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Follow Up By: ss--ss - Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:35

Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:35
yeah there're off ebay... was 500 bucks which included the 2 x 60w panels , 240v inverter , charge controller , bag & delivery.. pretty dodgey how it's all put together, hinges & stand look like they are about to break. But for the price can't complain to much, today I'm seeing just over 4amps which has topped my batterries up..
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed C (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 15:46

Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 15:46
Nothing wrong with buying solar panels/kits off ebay, that's where I got most of mine, and I have no complaints with any of 'em....

There is however, a known problem (discussed here before) with one seller in particular (that we know about) mis-representing his items...


ss--ss, can you give us the dimensions please (length x width, single panel), and the name of the seller.. also, what is printed on the label/s.. Thanks ;-)

Regards, Ed C

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Follow Up By: ss--ss - Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 17:03

Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 17:03
Ed, the panels are each 53cm X 61cm the sticker on the back says 6.67a . But as mentioned I only could get a max of 4.1a.. Seller is luxuryhomesydney

same as these

ebay listing
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Follow Up By: Member - Ed C (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 18:32

Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 18:32
Uh-huh, just as I thought :(

Those dimensions are about average for a 40W panel (good for approx 2.25A ea), so what you in fact have, is an 80W kit (and your own testing has confirmed this)..

What you need to do ASAP is to contact the seller, and tell him outright that the item is Not As Described...
He'll no doubt 'try it on', and make excuses, but stand your ground, and he will probably offer you the choice of a full refund, exchange for the 'correct' item, an additional panel to make up the 120W, or a partial refund..(He wants to 'keep you happy';-))

Which of these options you choose is up to you (it is after all a very good price as long as you get what is described in the listing), but the bugger needs to be held to account!!

Yes, he does have 100% positive feedback, and if/when challenged he does make good, thereby leaving no grounds for anyone to leave him a neg :(
Problem is, there are still far too many people who are simply unaware that they've been dudded :(

Good luck with it ;-)

Catch ya later...

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Follow Up By: ss--ss - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 08:21

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 08:21
Thank You Ed C, You were absolutely right.
I'm not sure if it was a mixup on their end or deliberate, however sticker said 120w 6.67a but were only 80w.. I must say there customer service was very good & they gave me a deal I couldn't refuse .. Apparently came from a distributer in qld ?
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Reply By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 14:35

Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 14:35
You need to place a load on the battery that is over 8 amps - maybe an air pump ? Then measure the amps while that is running - that should give you the maximum reading in full sun .. which should be just on 7 amps ..

Cheers

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Reply By:- Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 20:53

Friday, Jan 08, 2010 at 20:53
Solar panels produce around 21V o.c. in full sun.
I'd check the voltage before and after the charge controller, with and with no batteries connected.
To make sure your panel is capable of delivering the goods, take it off the charge controller, and connect it to a multimeter and select 20A DC BEFORE exposing it to the sun (to prevent sparking on connection). You should see a current of around 10A under full insolation.
If this is what you get to see, then it's either a dud charge controller, or something with the wiring - is there a diode?
Of course if the battery has a shorted cell, then this could be draging down the voltage a well...

Warning: it's good practice to put your multimeter back to V immediately after you're done with your amp checking...

Best regards, batterymeister
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Reply By: Faulic_McVitte - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 06:12

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 06:12
Connect the battery and check the voltage and the amperage going into the battery.
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Reply By: AdrianLR (VIC) - Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 09:02

Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 09:02
Are the batteries connected when you measure the voltage? Many regulators don't show a voltage unless the batteries are there. The panels thenselves will put out usually around 17 to 22V open circuit i.e. if the wires from the panel to the regulator are disconnected.

Adrian
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