Damn sandfly bites

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Just back from Broome and spent 2 nights at Port Smith scabbing for a feed of
muddies, the sandflys there ate the hell out of me.

I was wearing shorts and my legs, forearms and face are covered in bites.

It's day 4 since being attacked by the tiny little suckers. I must be alergic to em cause they are still big red welches on my skin

Has anyone any ideas on how to STOP THE ITCH !

I've tried ;
Paraderm Plus
Derm Aid
Aloe Vera Gel 97.4% pure
Finlandia Vodka

All garbage !
Jack Daniels works after a while.

Cheers, Glenn
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Reply By: Member - GeeTee (NT) - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 00:21

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 00:21
They can be a problem there. Not to sure how to stop the itching but Bushman seems to work for prevention for us . Are they still "fogging" each evening?
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Follow Up By: Glenn WA - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 00:38

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 00:38
hey Gee Tee we were hanging around a deep pool on low tide
catching mangrove jacks and bream, the fog came just before sunset
and thats when I got hammered.
By the way I'd sprayed myself with canned Bushmans tropical strenth.
Garbage ! when you really need it.
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Follow Up By: early bird - Tuesday, Feb 09, 2010 at 05:32

Tuesday, Feb 09, 2010 at 05:32
Hey Glenn, you have to watch those aersol cans, often the CO2 gas they emit actually attracts those little critters. Its the CO2 that we breath out that acts as one of the main ways they track us down. And as you know none of those sprays don't do much good once you've been bitten, you should try The Locals Sandfly and Mozzie Stuff, it's the only repellent that has a stop itch in it too, and it actually works.
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Reply By: Member - Duncan W (WA) - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 00:46

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 00:46
Calamine lotion works for chicken pox so suspect works for insect bites as well. Plus there is sting goes.
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Reply By: offroad_tommo - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 00:47

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 00:47
haha I know the feeling Glenn!

Depends mate, people react differently to em but what I use is vinegar. It itches like hell for the first 5-10mins but then the itching stops. Just make sure you don’t apply it before you get in a car like I’ve done, its like driving with your legs on fire.Dont scratch em either, just have a few shots of jacks before doing this as its a bit like torture at first!

Try it, but if its still itchy after 5mins wash it off because it does go nuts with the itch, it should go fast though. It always works for me.

Cheers,
Tommo

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Follow Up By: Glenn WA - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 01:02

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 01:02
hey tommo,
I've put the vinegar on right forearm
(had it in the draws for the stingers up there)
10 mins have gone and it feels like the itching
has gone, just might be the remedy for me.
Gonna start dowsing the rest off them now
and see how it goes.
cheers.....
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Follow Up By: offroad_tommo - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 14:16

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 14:16
Good to know it worked Glenn, I think the only remedy from there on is not to scratch when they do get tinggly, its hard I know but they'l go sooner.
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Reply By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 00:56

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 00:56
Hi Glenn,
I agree with the vinegar, but not just any vinegar... It should be brewed Apple cider vinegar... white... not brown. Sand flies don't actually bite, they pee on you and this is whats causing the burning itch. The vinegar counteracts that as well as acting as a sort of antiseptic. The enzymes in the vinegar also help the healing. Use some cotton wool to apply the vinegar; if you have been stung severely, you may have to apply several times, AND DON'T scratch.
Hang in there, it will improve.
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Reply By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 03:24

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 03:24
My worst sandfly nightmare was also at Pt Smith.

Absolutely shocking.

Was at wit's end until reaching Karratha where the pharma suggested antihistamine tablets.

They worked a treat - itch resolved witin hours. We now carry same everywhere. Mind you, I still have the scritch scars.

OP rum is also good until the hangover.

Cheers hopefully.
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Follow Up By: stumbly1 - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 16:49

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 16:49
x2 for both cures - but I prefer the red bundy!!

Antihistamines were my saviour when I got hit by them.

Cheers, Keith
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Follow Up By: Russ n Sue - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 20:22

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 20:22
G'day JB,

The sandflies at Port Smith are nothing compared to those at Cossack. I worked at Cossack for 7 weeks last year and did some research. The entire Australian population of Australian sandflies is bred at Cossack and then exported to where they are needed (such as Port Smith). To go in the open at Cossack without strong sandfly protection is absolute madness.

What I do know is this....you do get immune to the effects of the bite/sting/pee or what ever it is that they do after a while. Also, the pharmacy at Jacob's Well in Queensland makes a potion that stops the itch instantly. He'll be in the Whitepages on the 'net if you want to find out more.

Cheers

Russ
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Follow Up By: Member - John Baas (WA) - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 21:11

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 21:11
I can believe that (Cossack) as well. Thanks for the tip Russ.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 09, 2010 at 08:16

Tuesday, Feb 09, 2010 at 08:16
Amazing We spent a day at Cossack

Thought is was a very interesting place and never got one sandfly bite


I worked In Milford Sound In NZ for 5 years and nothing beats the sandflies that live there.

They eat the big people on the spot and carry the small ones away for later.

In those days the only stuff was called DIMP but we reckoned the flies loved the stuff.

However after about 3 weeks we got used to them and only about one bite in 10 hurt.

So that meant you only swatted them about every 40 seconds LOL

Have seen them so thick that one day we were unloading 13gal drums of

diesel from a dinghy onto a wharf and had to do it with our eyes shut.

Funny now wasnt then.

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Reply By: Faulic_McVitte - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 06:10

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 06:10
Chemist gave us Fenezal tablets. Take 3 initially and then 2 3x a day. Sand fly bites can easily last a week.
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Reply By: Member - Uncle (NSW) - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 06:46

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 06:46
We use eucalyptus oil in a spray can from Woolies, spray on as needed, but try not to scratch anymore after applying it, and goes quite quickly. It's worked well for us.

cheers Unc
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Reply By: Member - Vivien C (VIC) - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 07:56

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 07:56
Glenn

Go to the pharmacy and speak to the pharmacist. He will ask if you're on mediction for any other conditions ie asthma, diabetes, heart, blood pressure etc etc. Don't just take something without checking because many products are dangerous if used in conjunction with others or are dangerous if you have any of the conditions mentioned above.

The pharmacist will probably then recommend an anti histamine ...ie Phenergan etc and give you the instructions on side effects (drowsiness etc) and how many and when to take them.

Ray has reactions such as you've described to bites and has found that Phenergan plus a cream such as Dermaid 1% gives him relief.

But, its important to check with a pharmacist first just in case.

Viv
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Follow Up By: Karen & Geoff - Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:49

Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:49
Viv you are so right about Phernergan, I sleep for 24 hours after taking one but it is the onlt thing that keeps you sane with the bites.

The other thing is buy a clicker from BCF, it gives you a tiny shock but takes the sting out of any bite. They are great. we have 4 of them scattered in the car and my bag and the van. I run for them if i get a bite.

Karen
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Reply By: Member - Lotzi (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 08:19

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 08:19
Gday Glenn

This is what we use when fishing or in the scrub, got the recipe of an ol fisherman years ago . . .

Sand fly and Mozzie Mix

1 Spray bottle, 1/3 fill with metho

Mix equal parts

Detol, Baby Oil and Citronella

Use

Put mix into 1/3 metho filled spray bottle, shake well before use, spray and rub onto exposed areas, spray and wipe hands behind head, face, through hair, wipe hands on clothes and around bum, if sitting on a mesh chair.

We also ensure that we take vitamin B, for about a week before travelling, my swambo is a pom, so have to put heavy gloves on her to stop her scratching otherwise she shreds herself, so don't scratch the bites, will only get worse and can become infected.

Haven't tried the vinegar treatment as Fred suggested, we also have one of those little zappers that we place over a bite, works good too.

Usual disclaimers etc..... . .

Oh . .

Medicinal JD, is made overseas, for overseas conditions . . .

Medicinal Bundy Rumbo is made in mozzie and sand fly country, to local conditions . . .

Cheers and good luck







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Reply By: time waster - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 08:53

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 08:53
The Mozzie Stuff is the best stop itch cream you can buy go to the chemist in Broome and ask for it, it's made in point sampson
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Reply By: OREJAP - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:37

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:37
There is no real solution to your problem because God made us all different so therefore what might work for you might not work for me. Try a cream called EURAX from pharmacy it's used to control; itching etc......like with scabies. Do you have any ole vera plants near you? If so brake some off and try rubbing(the juice) of that on the itchy bits or just use the ole vera cream. The best cure is prevention (not trying to be a smarty) but complete coverage of the body, don't go out on nice still days especially near sunset /sunrise (midges are prolific hunters just before sunset) the wind seems to keep them at bay & they don't like the cold (who does). Good luck and maybe even calamine lotion maybe beneficial.
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Follow Up By: Glenn WA - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 14:08

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 14:08
I have an Aloe Vera plant, which I have broken apart and rubbed on. Feels very soothing but after about an hour still itchy.
Am heading down to to chemist to get some anti- hystamines or what ever they suggest.
Wish I knew all this info before hand, live and learn eh !.

Tried the aussie product Bundy last night but now have hazy feeling as well as itch.
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Reply By: mickf69 - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:43

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:43
i have a mate that lives in port headland that i go fishing with , we put our crab pots in then went of fishing, when we got back to the pots they were high and dry on the grey mud banks.
we had to cast our lures at the pots to get them back. i got bitten by sand flies like i had never been bitten before, my mate nothing. he takes vitamin b and eats plenty of vegemite which is why he does not get bitten (or pee'd on).
i had swollen legs and and if you were to run your hand over them it was like feeling a pineapple.
but i used isocol rubbing alchahol antiseptic. i would use some sort of antiseptic because if you are anything like me you won't be able to stop scratching and this should help to stop infections at least.
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Reply By: Mal R - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:56

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 10:56
I swear by pure Lavender Oil. Stops the itch almost immediately.
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Reply By: Ian & Sue - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 11:36

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 11:36
Ah memories :-) Port Smith say no more!

We used the vinegar which normally does the job but not at Port Smith - we always carry an antihisamine like non-drowsy Sudafed. We have never been into taking tablets for everything but sometimes you just have to - especially if you have been to Pt Smith, nothing else seems to work. The itching and redness can last for over a week! First time we were there we didnt have the Sudafed back up and for the whole week following leaving we were suffering! I really feel for you.
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Follow Up By: Ian & Sue - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 11:37

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 11:37
And the worse thing with there is you dont even see them about!
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Reply By: Patrol22 - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 12:04

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 12:04
While no good if walking around I've found that these ThermaCELL thingies work very well for all sorts of midges around the campsite.
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Reply By: Blaze (Berri) - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 14:48

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 14:48
Gday mate,

Hope i'm not doubling up on anyone, We came across this by accident in the topend. SWMBO was getting bitten all the time and also had a strained ankle. She put deep heat or metsal or similar on strain and itch from bites in that area vanished... We tried again on other areas like arms etc same result..

Cheers



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Follow Up By: darcla - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 15:35

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 15:35
Photoman
Hi All

Avon SSS bath oil seems to be the answer to avoid being bitten or peed on.
! had a month working on Tamala Station & they were really bad all the time as we were getting showers every other day.
I used to smear oil on my exposed bits & you dont need much & rub it in. I was never bitten while there & wore shorts all the time. In the full month the manager & his wife wern't using it & they were getting bitten all the time, also the horse & pet goats also the kangaroos too, you could see them rolling around in the sand & scratching themselve continuously.
While fishing on the weekends they would crawl all over me but not sting.
I have been badly stung before but went prepared this time
Cheers Photoman
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Follow Up By: jabiru340 - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 16:18

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 16:18
Yep Avon Skin So Soft or Avon Bug Guard swear by either. Only stuff that has worked for my wife.

They don't effect me must have built up an immunity after a lifetime of fishing
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Reply By: Kim and Damn Dog - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 16:10

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 16:10
Glenn

In 2004 I came down with Ross River Fever (RRF), and a mate on a separate trip in the NT, was hospitalizing after spending the night marooned on a mud bank where he received hundreds of midge and mozzie bites.

After returning home I was doing a bit of research on RRF, and came across the following Disease Control Bulletin released by the NT Government:

http://www.det.nt.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0014/3713/BitingMidge.pdf

Hope this helps.

Regards

Kim
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Follow Up By: Glenn WA - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 16:50

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 16:50
Thanks Kim,

A very informative read.
So they dont urinate on you as I had previously believed.
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Follow Up By: Kim and Damn Dog - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 22:43

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 22:43
No mate

As you’ve probably read it’s a salivary secretion, much like a mozzie. If you’re up north just apply a bit of mud to the affected areas. The coolness of the pack will reduce the itching.

Also jump into salt water. This will open up the bite and clean it out.

Regards

Kim

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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 16:15

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 16:15
Hi Glenn,
On a recent trip to QLD we were eaten alive by Midgies (not sure on spelling) and itched for days after. It wasn't until we got to Narrandera in NSW that we decided to do something about it! We were advised to rub a lotion called Animine ( anti-itch lotion) into the bites and take phenergan (tablet form) until the itches stopped.(About 1 or 2 tablets did it for us)

Regards Annette
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Reply By: garytee - Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 18:56

Saturday, Jan 09, 2010 at 18:56
If you are allergic - there is NO remedy.
I am so I fully understand your pain. I now keep a map of places I am NEVER going to visit - places with a known sandfly presence.

When I see someone with sandfly bites, I ask them where they have been - and add that place to my map.

I went to the doctor after a bad dose of bites. he prescribed an ointment and I asked for two large tubes as I was on the road at the time. Lasted for a few years and definitely helped -

The label is hard to read but it looks like - CELESTONE_M CREAM
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Reply By: Member - Amy G (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 09:13

Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 09:13
My partner reacts badly to the midgies too and seems to get eaten alive by them here in Brisbane. He has a big tube of cream from the doctor- it's called Elocon 0.1% and contains mometasone furoate- tube says it is a topical corticosteroid.

I nabbed a bit for a mozzie bite this morning and it works pretty much straight away- excellent!
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Reply By: Kumunara (NT) - Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 09:44

Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 09:44
Glenn


Have you ever heard of telfast.

It is a non-drowsy anti-histermine.

I take it before going mud fishing, etc. and have no problems with sandfly bites.

There is always a packet in my patrol.



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Reply By: Dennis Ellery - Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:35

Sunday, Jan 10, 2010 at 12:35
Its good to hear Pt Smith is still standing - thought is was hit by the cyclone - much damage done?
We go to Pt Smith for a couple of months May to June each year.
The only way we survive is to cover ourselves with a spray containing DEET.
Twice a day about 9 oclock and 2 oclock. At beer o'clock long sleeve shirts and pants or more DEET.
Don't muck around - spray it on like heavily - wet like spay paint.
Last year there was a young couple staying next to us. They had a little kid wandering around in nappies with no top on. This kid was imune to them and they didn't need to protect her.
Regards Dennis
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Reply By: early bird - Tuesday, Feb 09, 2010 at 05:13

Tuesday, Feb 09, 2010 at 05:13
You poor bugger Glenn, unless you get some of that Sandfly and Mozzie Stuff made by The Locals, you'll find those bite may continue to give you grief for up to 3 weeks!!!, especially during the night. It's fantastic stuff, I was told it would reduce the swelling and stop the itching, and it worked immediately on my bites. If you can't find it at the caravan park or visitor centre where you're at, give them a ring on 0409 840 045 or look them up on their website www.thelocals.net.au where you can buy it online. Good luck
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