The Holland Track

Submitted: Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 21:18
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Hi, can some one advise if the Holland track is suitable for towing a off road poptop caravan through. We are looking at getting out on the road some time in April this year (2010) and would like to go that way to Coolgardie as we live in the SW of WA.

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Crooksie
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Reply By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 21:23

Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 21:23
Crooksie

Get Member - Captain (WA) to tell you he's story about towing a van along the Holland Track...

It can be done but not advisable

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 22:58

Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 22:58
i read his write up - havnt seen that mag for ages -wasnt bad
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 23:45

Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 23:45
I haven't seen any mag, only the write on EO, having to get the side of the van replaced may seem Minor.. :-)
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Follow Up By: get outmore - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 01:03

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 01:03
i saw it as a wirite up in a WA camping mag in 05
- like i saisd dont think it still gos

didnt realize at the time but someone ages ago asked a qustion about towing on the HT and i related what i had read

Captain replied it was his article
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Follow Up By: Richard Kovac - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 01:09

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 01:09
Cheers

He replied below and was worst than I troufgt :-)
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 21:39

Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 21:39
VERY scratchy, but I would not describe it as difficult.
There are a couple of pics in this slide show.....
Sorry you have to wade through so many others to get to them...



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Peter
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Follow Up By: Willem - Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 22:28

Monday, Jan 11, 2010 at 22:28
How come you ony show the straight bits of the Holland Track.....LOL

A trailer down the track maybe, but I think a caravan would be pushing the envelope!!!

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Reply By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 00:37

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 00:37
Hi Crooksie,

I travelled the Holland Track with my Windsor Rapid (13ft 6” model) van plus a Jayco Swan was also along for the trip. On my van, I managed to rip off every indicator, roof clip, TV antenna etc... on both sides of the van as well as breaking an "unbreakable" door window and puncturing the wall skin with a branch. Additionally, I ripped off the roll-out awning, it had to be tied back on for the rest of the trip. The damage cost some $8,000 to repair, including both sides of the van being re-skinned. The Jayco Swan also did significant damage. Needless to say, I would not recommend any van travelling this track. It was also the defining reason why I now have a camper trailer :)

The damage was caused by the narrowness of the track and the numerous trees that you have to “snake” between. I don’t think I even used 4WD, its an easy track as far as that goes, the difficulty is caused by the tight turns which then forces you to drag the van around a tree. While in most places you can do a multiple point turn, in some areas you simply cannot get around the trees without scrapping against them.

Things may have changed a bit since I did this trip in 2006 or 2007, but I don’t think there would have been any difference to the sections of tight trees that caused the damage. The vast majority of the track is fine, its just the dozen or so sections that are unavoidable that caused the damage. Good luck if you decided to take your van along, the van will make it, but it will be interesting to know the extent of your damage!

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Follow Up By: get outmore - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 01:05

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 01:05
reckon it was longer ago than that i seem to remmber reading you mag article in 05 perhaps early 06
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 08:07

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 08:07
Hi Captain
Reading your reply makes me wonder of what happened to one of your local van builders over there in the West. The name of his vans slips my mine, but when in Laverton last August we saw the departure from the Caravan Park of a Mega White Ford F250 towing a large tandem van. When speaking to a couple of guys about it, they said that they were his back up crew and were heading out to Coober Pedy via the Anne Beadell Highway. We made a mention that the guy must be crazy, but was informed that the chap makes the vans, has retired, but his son now runs the business.

Apparently he had that much faith in his van's quality and strength of build that he was prepared to wreck it on that track (or should I say he felt it would make it with no problems) just to show how reliable and well made they were.

I wonder if anyone has heard of his outcome.


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Follow Up By: Member -Pinko (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 08:52

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 08:52
A good description of the Holland Captain. Wife and towed our Ultimate through the Holland and being about 120mm. a side narrower than your outfit I can imagine the problems you experienced with the close foliage patches. The Canning has even closer conditions on a 40k. section.
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Follow Up By: Member - Captain (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:14

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:14
Hi Get Outmore - your right, I checked the date of the photos and it was October 2004. Gee's, doesn't time just fly by, could have sworn it was 2006 :)

Hi Stephen - I am not sure just how tight the Anne Beadell Highway is, but as its further east there may not be the larger trees that were the root of my problem. Haven't heard anything about the van, nor can I place the manufacturer.

And for those who have read the the write-up in WA Outdoor Recreation magazine, it was written by the editor Rik. Not sure what happened to the magazine, but used to be a good read.

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Follow Up By: Member - Rowdy6032 (WA) - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 22:07

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 22:07
Hi Stephen L

Don't know how the van went but it sounds like the mob from Elross vans.
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Follow Up By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 22:51

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 22:51
Hi Rowdy
Thanks for that. It would be very interesting to see they went on the Anne Beadell. I would have thought that it would have given it a real shake up..



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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 06:12

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 06:12
We travelled half of it until we got sick of the deep bogs and constant rain last year.
Very narrow and scratchy as has been said and once you are on the track there are only a few exits so must continue till the next one.
When we started out there were a few boggy sections, most with detours, then it started raining steadily in the evening and continued all night. The next day we only travelled as far as the next exit and gave it up as it was too boggy and wet to continue. The trees met in the middle of the track in lots of places, some of the mudholes the water was over the bonnet and up to the windscreen as we went through.
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Follow Up By: Willem - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 07:18

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 07:18
I would have thought that your chariot was virtually unboggable.........rotflmao

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Follow Up By: Ozhumvee - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 18:40

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 18:40
Ha ha especially when it is following a patrol that dug up under the water.
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Reply By: Crooksie - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:40

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 10:40
Thanks folks for your input, i dont think we will try the track with the van on, maybe just do a camping trip instead.

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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 14:19

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 14:19
hi crooksie
thats a smart decision i
was part of a convoy that went throught he h/track in april 2000 as my daughter and i wanted to follow in the footsteps of our grand and great grand father
and we had a couple with a trayon caravan on a rodeo with us they smashed the front top corner on one side out of it and ripped the rollout awning off the other side at the front and then had to take it off enroute
from reading the above nothing has changed much and because the trees grow in a low rain fall area they are as tough as steel and dont flinch went you hit them do it with camper trailer or tent no problem with them
the soil on that track is a real problem when it gets wet my grand father used to travel it in his 1928 oldsmobile 6 tour top and several times was stuck out there for a week until it dryed out enough to move on he was a prospector and always carried ample food and water which should still should be rule of thumb for all these days
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Reply By: ricochet - Tuesday, Jan 19, 2010 at 20:57

Tuesday, Jan 19, 2010 at 20:57
Recently travelled the HT. All I can say is leave the van at home unless you want a hefty repair bill. would be ok with a camper van which collapses down a lot smaller.
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