Inflatable boats and crocs
Submitted: Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 19:33
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G'day people. pretty new to posting on this
forum but have been a long time reader. Over the past year i've been preparing for a trip around oz in my vw syncro (soon to be a camper) I've been looking at taking a boat for the trip and so far only have a 15hp yamaha outboard. .
I'll be looking to buy a good quality inflatable ($2000 range) and decided on a 3.8 -4 meter boat in the hope there may be less chance a saltwater croc is going to take a bite. I'm a very keen fisherman and will be fishing the many croc infested waterways in
cape york, arnhem land, fitzroy, finniss, daly,
adelaide river and so on. I've fished all these
places in a past trip but from the safety of dry land but the freedom of having a boat would be great.
I have heard plenty of stories of croc attacks on tinnies over the years. Do you think a croc may find a person sitting in an inflatable boat an easier target.
Would be good to know whether or not I would be the only idiot in an inflatable boat in these waters. Ok bad question but would be open for some advice from locals up north. I'm a south aussie see... cheers,erik
Reply By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 20:36
Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 20:36
Mmmmmm, an inflatable in croc country.
For the past 4 years we have spent much of the winter months in NT,
bush camping and fishing. We have always used tinnies. Current one is a 3.95 with 30 HP. We are quite comfortable in a good tinnie, but have great respect for the traditional owners of the rivers.
I have no basis other than personal opinion, but I'd be a bit reluctant to be in an inflatable, though I have no experience with them. Are they built in a way that if punctured, only a small part deflates? How much damage is needed to sink one?
You say you have heard many stories of attacks on tinnies by crocs. Before we started our regular trips up that way, I did a fair bit of research (admittedly restricted to the www). I could not find any attacks on tinnies by crocs that resulted in death that were not a direct result of a silly act by the person in the tinnie. Interested in any other info you might have.
Anyway, my view is that the likelihood of your boat being attacked by a croc is low if you are not doing something silly (cleaning fish and tossing scraps over the side, tethering fish, using a keeper net, etc, etc). In the unlikely event of an attack, the questions are how stable will the boat be and how seaworthy will it be if holed. I've seen thousands of tinnies in croc territory, but have not yet seen an inflatable. That might be due to ignorance and (ill-founded?) personal opinion, but you have to wonder.
I hope you find a solution you are comfortable with as fishing and camping in the far north is something special.
My Blog on fishing NT:
Norm & Kabby's Fishing Adventures
Norm C
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Reply By: donk - Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 00:21
Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 00:21
We are originally from FNQ (travelling full time at the moment) and have a 3.2m Achillies inflatable (hypalon) with a 8hp Suzuki & have fished most of the NQ River systems & coastal areas (Johnstone,Mulgrave,Barron,
Daintree & Lakefield NP) where crocs are & to be honest i feel safer in the Achillies than i would in a equivalent length tinny (although if a decent size croc tried to climb aboard i would not want to be in either)
In regards to the inflatables lasting 3-4 years
mine is a 1982 model with only 3 patches (probably from trebles on lures) so a good hypalon boat looked after will last for a long time
The inflatable is stable (good to stand on when removing lures from trees),more seaworthy than the same length tinny &
mine has 3 seperate compartments plus a air keel under the ply floor so it would take more than one bite to sink it & when we fish out of it i have two ply seats that velcro across the top of the tubes so you dont have to sit on the sides
Disadvantages are longer set up time & less space inside due to the sides extending past the transom & the width of the side
Both types have there advantages & disadvantages but a good quality inflatable isa handy boat to have
Regards Don
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Reply By: Voxson - Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:48
Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 11:48
I have been North many times and fished every time,,,,,, the crocs we have seen in QLD are few are far between which could give you the feeling you could get away with an inflatable.....
On the other hand,,
The crocs we have seen in NT around
Darwin etc are quite a lot more and were not that curious,,,, but would make think UH UH...Not a good idea...
But Then,,,,,
In Arnhem Land,,,, not so much around
Nhulunbuy but when we were in remote locations such as Old Arafura etc etc,,,
each time we even aproached the water you could see the interest in the dozens of crocs which were not really scared at all and even went out of their way to challenge us at certain times.......
So to cut a long story longer,,,,NO!!!!!....
There would not be many river systems north of The
Murray River i would pump air into a boat and use it..
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Reply By: ned-123 - Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 19:37
Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 19:37
I too would say no,I have spent over 3 years in Arnhemland- the last 2 at Oenpelli and
Nhulunbuy,so have seen a few. (Crocs-that is)
You would never feel safe in an inflateable.While you would probably never interact with a croc,you'd never feel comfortable.
If you always watch them, they wont bother you. But sometimes...
well.. you get distracted or tired. then they'll come over.
So..yeah...I also concur with the naysayers :)
Mark
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Reply By:- Thursday, Jan 14, 2010 at 18:40
Thursday, Jan 14, 2010 at 18:40
Wow that's a lot of differing opinions. Thanks for all the replies. Going by what I've read and some of the replies
here it seems being in an inflatable boat carries an unsafe feeling with it because you are sitting on an air
cushion rather than in a solid metal hulled boat. It also appears to be a question of how
well they will hold up if
bumped, attacked, snagged etc
I know that the inflatable boats I'm looking to buy is virtually impossible to sink having 5 separate air
compartments and being quite wide for an inflatable. The brand is Aakron and they offer a 5 year warranty on seams.
measures 3.8x1.7 meters. I will have all the space to myself too as I'll be travelling solo. By the way if anybody
ever finds an unoccupied half deflated aakron boat adrift please notify my family:-)
Have a couple more questions on crocs. Firstly why is it that crocodiles will take people from the rivers edge but
far less commonly from a small boat?
A number of people have been pulled from canoes. Perhaps an easier target or the shape of a canoe?.
Being 2 foot from the rivers edge or sitting on an inflatable is not that different is it? I can only think that
crocs perhaps have better footing in shallow water to lunge and are used to attacking on the river banks. The
adelaide river crocs I see in the jumping croc cruises has me shaking my head though. Is it only me who thinks
training crocs to associate food with humans by having them jump up next to boats is a dumb idea and has anyone had
bad experiences fishing this section of water?
Have thought about buying a sacrificial dog to take out fishing but might become emotionally attached
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Follow Up By: Member - Norm C (QLD) - Thursday, Jan 14, 2010 at 19:34
Thursday, Jan 14, 2010 at 19:34
Most people who get taken from the river bank have become creatures of habit. Fishing, washing or checking crab pots at
the spot over a number of days. Crocs are known to lay in wait to ambush in such circumstances for days themselves (so I have read). I suspect this is the main reason.
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Follow Up By: Davo_60 - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:54
Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 12:54
As above, people often get taken from the bank because they routinely go to the same part of the river. That and most people up here use fairly large tinnies these days so they are not really such an easy target.
I think a dog would probably make the problem worse as they are good food for most crocs to grab and crocs have a decent sense of smell, so will work that out pretty fast. Would most likely encourage them I suspect. Having said that, people take their dogs fishing too without dramas. Dogs are quite vulnerable to attack on the river bank.
In theory you will be just as safe in an inflatable, but you won't see any others here.
Dave
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Reply By:- Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 20:37
Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 20:37
Good point about not returning to the same spot at the bank daily. I hadn't thought so much about that. Guess we are creatures of habit.
I remember seeing that crazy crocodile at the
darwin aquarium. Apparently this crocodile had a bullet lodged in it's spine which caused it constant pain believed to be a contributing factor why it was so aggressive to boats. I hope i won't come across one like sweetheart. What a monster croc.
I remember on my last trip north I passed through a very small indigenous community west of
katherine and spotted children swimming in the
Daly river crossing. I stayed at a mango farm/caravan park just down from the crossing. Was called Perry's on the Daly. Saw a 4 meter salty swimming about 500 meters from the crossing early the following morning. I wonder how often people go missing there unaccounted for. We throw rocks in the water before we go swimming to scare the crocodile away is something I remembered a local women say.
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