Solar Panels for dummies

Hi solar experts
I am no rocket scientist and find this subject confusing, as quoted on this site.

Can some one PLEASE give me some idea what capacity solar panels I will need to keep my 900CC AGM trailer battery charged with a 40ltr Engel running 24/7 and 2-3 (1amp) LED down lights, used in the evening while camped for a week or two while not connected to the car.

I fully understand that available light plays a big role in the equation but there must be an average size/capacity that will provide most of what I need most of the time????

Cheers Colin.

PS The "KISS principal" to be applied please.

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Reply By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:21

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:21
Most people seem to use somewhere between 80 and 160 watts of Solar Panels for this type of load.
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:36

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:36
Thanks Mike R
so using the info on the article on this site I can possibly expect to in reality get 60-120 watts to the battery, would that be fair to say????

Because the article states I WILL NOT get full capacity as stated on the panel, due to some weird measuring peculiarity between actual and stated.

With that in mind, will those panels still do the job I want????
Cheers Colin.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:40

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:40
You asked "give me some idea what capacity solar panels I will need ", which I gave.

Now you want to know the details of how to calculate outputs and efficiencies ????
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:46

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:46
As I said I don't know shyte re this and am trying to understand it.

As for calculation that is explained in the article, but I am asking "do you mean 80-160 pre loss or post loss, that's all mate.

If you don't know Mike, that's fine, nether do I !!!!!!!!!! I trying to find out that's all.
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Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:45

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:45
Colin,

Stop drinking someones Hen Wine and have a read of this informative Blog about Solar Power ;)


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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:51

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 21:51
I drink what I please Kev, a good blog and a little easier to understand than some I have read.
Cheers, Colin.
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Reply By: Member - extfilm (NSW) - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 22:09

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 22:09
Hi Colin,

I have an 80 watt on the roof of the ute but the fridge is still not hooked up yet but I am thinking it will be enough to keep the bourbon cold for over a week. All 150 metres of the wire is almost to the battery now and ready to hook up but now I do not have the time to get it hooked before my next adventure on thursday so I can not advise you of the outcome :( Will not be able to complete it until early march now unless I take all the bits with me and do it on the road.

Peter

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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 07:30

Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 07:30
Enjoy your adventure Peter, wherever it is this time.

I hope the ute is going well still.

Good luck with your solar system. Cheers Colin.
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Reply By: Member - John and Val - Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 23:04

Tuesday, Jan 12, 2010 at 23:04
Colin,

Your question sounds pretty straight forward so there should be a straight forward answer. But there isn't.

The power you need will depend on sunshine, how often you are willing to move the panels so they face directly at the sun, and especially, how cold you run the fridge. And of course, are we talking summer in Alice Springs or winter in Tasmania.

If you've read our blog (refered to above) you'll have some idea of all the factors involved. I'll try to be a bit more specific:

First, what is a 900 CC AGM battery? Do you mean 900 CCA battery? If so, it is a starting battery, not a deep cycle battery, which would be much better for the job. A starting battery will run the fridge and lights, but not for as long as a deep cycle battery and it will die earlier than a deep cycle battery if it is run down too far.

It may be a dual purpose battery which will handle both starting and deep cycle usage, though not as well as the correct batteries for these jobs.

For my rig, I use 145W of solar panels. You are right in saying that you don't get all this out as usable power, but that's how the panels are rated and that's how we talk about sizing. In practice you must simply bear in mind that it isn't all there when you start making calculations. I also charge from the vehicle, but the panels handle the fridge and lights ok when stationary for a week or more.

Your ideal battery would be a 100 Amphour AGM, that is about the same physical size as a big (900CCA) starting battery. This should run your fridge and lights for 2 or 3 days without any charging unless you are running the fridge very cold. (Running it as a freezer you'll maybe get 1 day.)

You need to replace the Amphours you use each day using the solar panels. For that (assuming the fridge is not working very hard) you will need about 140 to 160 watts of solar capacity (that's manufacturer's watts, not usable watts). With that much solar capacity you will charge at up to about 10 amps in strong sunlight, so you MUST have a controller to save the battery from being overcharged.

So, the simple answer to a pretty complicated question is - panels rated at about 140-160 watts should do the job for you if the sun is shining and so long as you're not in the tropics in summer. If the sun doesn't shine, start the car and then use jumper leads to connect the trailer battery to the car battery and run the engine at fast idle for half an hour a couple of times a day. Disconnect the jumper leads when the engine is stopped.

Hope that helps

John
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Follow Up By: On Patrol & TONI - Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 07:27

Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 07:27
Thanks John
That helps, and I am still trying to digest the blog info.

As for the battery type John, thats not going to change for some time as it is still very new and expensive (2weeks old)
Thanks, Colin.
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Follow Up By: Member - John and Val - Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 07:50

Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 07:50
Understand about the battery Colin. It should work fine, but suggest aim to never leave it seriously discharged for long. Running any battery well down, but especially a starting battery, will shorten its life. And as you know so well, they aren't cheap!

Good luck with it.

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Reply By: Richard W (NSW) - Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 06:47

Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 06:47
Can't really help with how much you need but be careful with the cheapies and their rating. I bought one rated at 60W but have only ever managed 40W. Use it to trickle charge the dual battery.
I have also noticed there has been a significant price drop over the last 12 months.
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:05

Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 10:05
"rated at 60W but have only ever managed 40W."

- how are you measuring the 40 watts. Unless you are using an MPPT regulator, you will NEVER get 60 watts going into a 12 volt battery.


"I have also noticed there has been a significant price drop over the last 12 months"

- yes, panel prices have halved in the last year due Oz dollar improvement etc

I bought my panels last month :-)
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Follow Up By: Mandrake's Solar Power- Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:35

Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 12:35
Wasn't just the dollar - that only accounted for a 10-15% decrease - It was ME !! LOL - I started importing and making a "reasonable" profit and sold initially at half price - Now its worse !! LOL - that'll teach me ..
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Steve
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Follow Up By: Maîneÿ . . .- Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 15:28

Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 15:28
Mike,
what brand and capacity panels and solar regulator did you buy ?

Maîneÿ . . .
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Reply By: Member Brian (Gold Coast) - Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 08:21

Wednesday, Jan 13, 2010 at 08:21
I'm no expert here either Colin, but I have found one that works for me.
I have a Trailblaza 70 litre fridge that is very hungry for power from the battery. I purchased a 100 watt bi-fold panel from Derek Bester (ABR) and it works a treat. Keeps the aux battery topped up enough to keep the fridge running.
The panel can be viewed HERE

The usual disclaimer.... I'm just a happy customer, not affiliated with ABR at all, and also for those of you that want to argue that my system doesn't/shouldn't/couldn't work, save your breath, I ain't interested!!

Cheers

Brian

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