May this settle it

Looks ok until you add whole of life costs including pump and injector rebuilds.

Greetings, The RAA did publishes a similar study by an actuary. Assuming money borrowed, including the lost interest income, the higher outlay cost for the diesel purchase. The diesel cost never caught up. Despite this I own two diesels, and will not change. WD

You have a typo in the Depreciation per year for the 2002 GU Patrol 4.8 Petrol.

It should be $3198- not $1490-.
$15,990- divided by 5 years = $3,198- PA.

Aside from that adjustment, Totals are correct hence I believe it to be a typo :-)

Cheers

Yeah, but the money isn't the reason you buy a diesel........
I like the noisy motor and the feeling of spilt diesel squishing through my fingers at the bowser.

And it will also will cross most deserts on a standard tank.
Now, where's Robin :-)

Your only flaw to your calcs is that there is an assumption that Diesel & ULP are the same price which in the main definitely isn't the case. Diesel is often as much as 30% dearer than ULP, therefore the overall costs are less. Also your figures indicate that a diesel will be serviced twice as often as a petrol so the figures should be an awful lot closer.

From previous readings I think it was stated that it would take about 9 years or so before a diesel started to pay for itself.

Not again Kroozer !

First data its not from a book its from 2nd latest issue of 4wd Action.
I would have commented weeks ago on this however I am still rolling around laughing.

In the past, many here have said that that mag can't be trusted and is a joke -
lets us hope that none who have put that view in the past are now willingly to accept it because it may agree with there view on this subject.

However lets have some fun and totally destroy that arguement , and we will begin by using some of there own figures.



Ok - they say that over 20,000km the diesel using 14lt/100km @ $1.50 a litre is $5250

Lets go 14 * 1.5 * 200 = $4200 i.e. $1050 less than they say using there figures

Similarly for petrol they get $6750 but maths says $5400.

I.E. Despite what they write they did the figures on not 20,000 @ year but 25,000

How is you confidence in the mags accuracy going ?



I am one of few who record every fill and its averaged $1.18 lt last year, now
diesel was actually a lot dearer a year ago but I am willing to call it even and re-do the calcs on there data using actual fuel costs.

Ok --> 1.18 * 18 * 200 = $4248 for petrol and $3304 for diesel over the 20,000km

So now there published fuel cost per year difference of ($6750-$5250 = $1500 ) becomes an actual ($4248-$3304 = $944) I.E. $556 a year closer.


Depreication - did anyone look at the figures ?
Note they use a figure of $1490/year for petrol when it goes from $26,990 to $11,000 I.E $15990 or $3198 per year - give me a break !

These guys need to go back to primary school.

Now I need to ask a question ?
How many here think they can pick up a 4.2td GU with 100,000 on the clock for $29,990 or if you like only $3000 more than the petrol ?

The diesel commands a higher price and bang goes the figures , all of a sudden the petrol is actually cheaper as well as all its technical advantages.

Actually , with a few typo's corrected I think we could vote 4WD action as a trusted source of reliable information (Please send me my free subscription now 4wd Action).

K,

Those figures are so rubbery.

Fuel $1.50/L ???
Insurance $1450 ?????
No mention of finance cost ????
No major servicing (eg timing belt) required in 100,000 km.
Mighty machines these Patrols, they somehow never need new tyres ????

And those purchase prices are fanciful. My Old Man recently sold a pristine 2003 4.8 with just 70,000 km and LPG fitted for $24,000.

In a true and proper cost analysis (eg Royal Auto, last July) it showed some interesting figures. I'll dig them out when I get home, but from memory a new Diesel Prado was about $5 per week cheaper to own than the Petrol. On the other hand a Diesel X Trail was dearer to own than a Petrol (by how much I can't recall).

Cheers,

Jim.

Thanks Boss,

I dont know anyone in my home town who even owns a petrol 4wd. I guess they are ok as a Toorak tractor though lol.

Cheers Wilko

if it was just about the money -thers no way in hell id own a 4by

more like some second hand pos hyundai excell

If the intent of the post was to settle the debate then the evidence from the thread so far is that it's not lived up to expectations.

;)

That might say more about the issue than anything else.

Anyone for discussion on:
Coopers v BFGs?
Cruiser v Plugger?
Solar v Geny?
Trailers in the SD?

My Rodeo costs $17,500 a year to own...and that is with a Lease loan.

The above figures must be without having to borrow money.

Diesel has been $1.18 here for months now and ULP has gone from $1.15 to $1.36 and almost back untold times!!! We have numerous D4D hiluxes at work and 2 of them now are over the 200k mark with no engine works being performed only other minor bits and servicing. i was sceptical at first about reliability but have sofar proved me wrong.

The figures look a bit skewed to me. Can't be bothered working it out. Others have done that. My instincts are petrol would work out cheaper and by a fair bit when similar vehicles are compared..

I own a common rail diesel, V8 Cruiser trayback. I like it a lot. I have two eyes though, not one.

It has advantages for me of ultra long range and load carrying That's why I got it. For what I was looking for there was no petrol choice at all. The diesel has disadvantages. Very, as in VERY, expensive to service. I am on fixed cost servicing for now. That will run out.

I recently gave advice to someone considering a diesel or petrol ute. Came down in the end to a BT50 versus a Holden ute. Both could do the job required. Some of the advice was:

______

"Re diesels yeah they are EXPENSIVE to service. Gotta replace expensive filters all the time. The common rail diesel motors are very vulnerable to poor fuel and very expensive to replace injectors and pumps. I keep all my fuel dockets in preparation for the inevitable liability fight with a service station. The filters will not stop really bad fuel from wrecking the fuel system. If a petrol motor does the job I would go that way.

Another thing with diesels is the time off road servicing. With services every 5,000k that is a lot of downtime compared to 12,500k or 15,000k most petrol engines have (very relevant for business use). The cruiser is on a 5,000k schedule. At the 5,000k it is oil, filter and grease. Other diesels would be similar.

(and a little later)

I would use high octane unleaded in your new Holden SV6. I don't even use 91 in my push mower or brushcutter (but I do in the car). How's that for priorities?"

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There is nothing wrong with choosing petrol if it does the job. Modern petrol engines are very fuel efficient. With the advantages of cheaper and less frequent servicing it is almost inevitable the ownership costs will be less in the long run than a diesel even allowing for using high octane petrol. (petrol turbos are another story)

Flynnie

The Boss (Formerly Kroozer)

I don't give a shyte which one wins, I love my diesel mongrel.

Especially when going up hills towing and leaving most petrol engines in my dust with a similar load behind, and as for turbo lag, what is that????? it's full on from 800RPM, that's right 800RPM.

TONI kicks ass against most petrol's with it's near endless torque low down or mid range & good fuel consumption too, I love it. I wont change in the foreseeable future.

Cheers Colin.

Where do they have them registered and insured

My Cruiser 2005 TD costs $800 to register in QLD less $200 pensioner discount

Insurance is just over $700

Fuel consumption is also less as I get 17kper 100k when towing and about 12.5 when not.

Makes a difference

Just my 10 cents worth plus GST..............

Observations from years of lurking, discussing, campfire conversation as well as good old Murphy entering the equation has led to my deductions..............

"horses for courses"
People will always buy what they believe suits their needs.
Some make educated guesses, others are well informed, some wing it, and others shouldn't be allowed out in public.
However, everyone who makes their purchase seems hell bent on justify'ing their expense.

Most peoples needs are different and such they make different choices.
Sometimes good, sometimes bad.

If any of you good folks know all the answers to my needs and requirements, could you PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE, tell me???
I seem to have lost my manual on "Life" and as such blunder day to day having to make decisions. Unfortunately not always the right ones, but I do learn from them and try to progress.
A process of evolution, so to speak.

Anyone who has the definitive answers to their choices in life, must be either extremely boring or on some serious medication!

Me on the other hand, I self medicate with various solutions. Beer, wine, bourbon, vodka, anything really if I get desperate............
They help me contemplate the decisions ahead,

toyota V Nissan
BFG V Coopers
Ford V Holden
Marriage V Happiness
VB V Drano
etc etc.............

To cut my deliriously long windbagging short......
People choose what suits their particular needs.
It doesn't need to be right or wrong. Let them make that choice.

IN THE MEANTIME.....bring it on, because I love the banter......
Now I'm off to medicate.....

Brian

Definitely diesel for me. They just sound better ;)

Sorry but I would't buy anything on a 5000km service cycle
I have a diesel Landy but it's 12000km 6mths and I love it.
In Europe it's 24000km.yearly. A bit ordinary needing a service to drive across the country.
Mike

Well done all, what an entertaining thread, got to love this site & the sensitivity
of the diesel owner as he defends spending all that $$. I shall have to remain
content that my poor old petrol Jack is worth what I paid for it 4 years ago....
it's a tough life..:)))....oldbaz.

After carfully weighing up the pros and cons of diesal vs petrol, auto vs manual, bfg vs cooper engal vs waeco nissanv toyota

i disregarded the lot and bought a manual diesal toyota with goodyear tyres and
put an Engal in the back ................
because i wanted too