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Submitted: Thursday, Jan 14, 2010 at 23:28
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I have just spent the last few weeks traveling, towing a camper. I travelled up and down the South Coast, over both the Clyde and Brown Mountains, and along the Great Alpine Road. There were times that I was unable to travel at the posted speed.
I have decided, that unless you are driving a truck, or riding a motorcycle, i will not move over a bit to let you pass. Most truck drivers will flash there blinkers to thank you, most bike riders will give you a wave.
I do not consider being yelled at, honked at, or receiving the bird a thankyou. I even had one abuse me at at the next servo I pulled into. Apparently if we as drivers are unable to keep up with the speed posted, we should not be driving. I received a good few of these thankyous, and I'm afraid to say all but one had plates from the state South of NSW.
BTW. On average I was only travelling about ten kph under limit.
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Reply By: bgreeni - Thursday, Jan 14, 2010 at 23:38

Thursday, Jan 14, 2010 at 23:38
If you want to or need travel significantly under the speed limit you should move over at regular intervals to let following traffic pass. Seems to me to be common courtesy.
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Reply By: greybeard - Thursday, Jan 14, 2010 at 23:39

Thursday, Jan 14, 2010 at 23:39
hope you're not expecting congratulations for refusing to move over and let other vehicles pass if you are driving 10k under the speed limit.
i'm only half way to a telegram from the queen but i was taught that good manners and some respect for my fellow adventurers on this planet are a good thing.
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Reply By: 2000 Red Rodeo - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 00:03

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 00:03
It is simply about common courtesy which you clearly don't have. I have no problem with you travelling well below the speed limit, however it is polite to help those who need to or wish to travel faster a chance to get past you.

These sort of actions are purely selfish. What right do you have to hold everyone else up.

Don't mean to cause offence, but the nice thing to do is let others past if you must travel slower.

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PS. I'm betting you drive a Toyota!!
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Follow Up By: oldfart1953 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 00:45

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 00:45
No I bet its a Volvo & he's wearing a hat
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Follow Up By: Member - Gary J (NSW) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:28

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:28
Ooh dunno. I think Toyota Avalons are the new Volvo. :)
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Reply By: oldfart1953 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 00:12

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 00:12
How stressed out you must have been, you poor little sausage.
All the stress you must have gone through, deliberatly holding up traffic!
There are many times when you are towing & you cant pull over, (because of the road conditions ie not wide enough etc) or you just werent prepared to pull over & let some one past unless you expected to be thanked/appreciated for it.
Sitting here typing this just thinking what a lousy holiday you had....WAKE up to youself you are on holidays relax & let the world pass you by!
How many time have you held a door open for some one ...they walk through & ignore you .... not everyone has perfect manners.
Pull your head in.... just relax, pull over a little & let them past.
Normally I say CU down the road dont think I will this time.

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Reply By: SDG - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 00:22

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 00:22
If any have ever driven on the Great Alpine Road,as an example, it will be noted that there are very few areas to allow vehicles to overtake. I will move off the road to allow vehicles to overtake as a curtesy. It is this pratice I will no longer do. If need be i will wait for a firm surface to bring my entire vehicle over. Actually illegal for me to drive over the fog line anyway to allow vehicles to overtake.
Yes it is a curtesy to allow others to overtake where it is safe to do so. Is it a curtesy to hurl abuse at those who do move over?
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Follow Up By: oldfart1953 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 00:42

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 00:42
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Follow Up By: The other Norm C (WA) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:05

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:05
It's really not hard.Common courtesy should prevail (Although it's not that common any more)
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Reply By: Motherhen - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:15

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:15
I don't think SDG deserves the mouthful he has copped in this thread. He made a valid point about rudeness of other motorists who are so impatient, even if his choice of words "i will not move over a bit to let you pass" was not the best. SDG you cannot tell if i or anyone else who up comes behind you wanting to pass is one of the impatient rude breed, or someone who will wave a cheerful thank you when you get a chance to pull over and let us past.

I just shake me head and think "just what are you going to do with that extra five minutes in your life - if you live that long".

Those who are of the opinion that if you or your vehicle cannot maintain the MAXIMUM speed posted for that road, regardless of conditions, you shouldn't be on 'their' road have no understanding of varying road conditions, the needs of large or tow vehicles, driver experience or confidence, or about safe driving in general. They are the losers - unless they run into someone else.

My husband has made an observation that women driving rarely thank you for pulling over, but most men do - regardless of state of registration.


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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:25

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:25
I agree. My impression was that SDG ... HAD let people overtake but was feeling put out by the lack of manners that car drivers had shown. Trucks and bike appreciated the move, but not cars.... and as a result he wasn't feeling like putting the effort in any more.

And it is an effort. You need to be damn careful where you slow and pull over to let people pass. Sometimes if you don't pick the right moment you can cause extremely difficult situations.
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Follow Up By: SDG - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:37

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 01:37
Correct. I do try to make the effort.

Here is another for you.
I'm also a bike rider and a truck driver. A bike rider, and truck driver will generally pull over to help a car driver in trouble. When was the last time you ever hear of a car driver pull over and help a bike or truck rider/driver?
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Follow Up By: Member - Royce- Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 08:45

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 08:45
Mate you did get out of the bed the wrong side!

Hopefully I'm the car driver [okay truck, bike, 4wd] who help... but then again it depends on the situation.
I always watch to see if the person in trouble is indicating that they need help.

Many car drivers will see a truck pulled over cab up and think that they would simply not be equipped to help. If the truckie signalled that they needed help, a lot would stop, particularly in a remote spot.

The world is full of ordinary people, but there are plenty of good ones too....driving whatever.... Enjoy today! :-]]
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 17:35

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 17:35
We do stop to offer help SDG - what ever the vehicle. In the case of trucks, they have usually said that they are just checking xxxx whatever when we have asked. I haven't seen a motor bike rider broken down, but what you are driving at the time makes no difference to whether we stop or not. As Royce says, the average car driver would not feel equipped to assist a truckie with a break down, and if they give no indication that they would like you to stop, drivers may pass them by.

It is very different in cities and towns (where people can get help more readily) than in the outback, when everyone stops - like for the campers parked on the Kalumburu road, where the lady called to the seventh car stopping "I just want to P".


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Follow Up By: SDG - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 22:59

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 22:59
My apologies Motherhen. I did not mean everyone was like this, I know in the outback things are different, but in the last few years on the East Coast at least there have been many occurances. I picked up a motorcyclist last October who had been sitting on the side of the road for three hours with a broken leg. A lot of people are scared of bike riders because of all the bad publicity thet get.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 23:07

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 23:07

We met a couple of guys on bikes at a lookout parking area in northern Qld. They were gemstone miners in the area. They told us that a couple of years previously they'd pulled into that parking area to find a couple of caravanners parked just where we were, having their morning tea. The caravanners looked unnerved when they saw the bikes approach, but as they took of their helmets one said to the others in a rather relieved tone "It's alright, they're old like us".

I think on highways people don't stop, and may be afraid to stop, be it a bike or a car.


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Follow Up By: Member - Old Girl (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 16:20

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 16:20
One time on our travels, on the uhf there were people talking about this drink fella on the side of the road out of town to be aware. As we went past i said stop there is a helmet in the grass he is in trouble. The poor fella came off his bike it was down the bank. We managed to cram our full back seat aside and drove the poor fella to the nearest town.
The thing is there are a lot of idiots out there in everything we do but I will always move over if I can I hate holding up trucks and feel caravanners get enough flack over taking over the road I sure don't want to add to it.
But I cant resist lol if one takes the time to pull over at a servo to abuse some one for holding up the traffic I assume he must have.
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Reply By: Member - Bucky - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 02:07

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 02:07

I do not care what drivers behind me are doing, unless they have a blue & red flashing light going. The key too it is that you are in front, and they have to get around you, when safe, and not when they their patience has run out.

I drove a concrete truck around Sth Gippsland, back in the early 90's, and I never got over, or waved peoples through. The way I seen it is that if people want to get past they will, and flashing lights to get me to pull over a bit, and make 3 lanes, is not only illegal, it's downright dangerous.

Towing a camper, is usually only 5 - 10 km/hr slower than a normal passenger car, and I am stuffed if I would pull over for anybody, except a truck. I will actually call them up on the UHF, and when safe I will help them through.

It's the impatient Dh's that cause all the road toll, because they think it is their God given right to travel at the speed limit, no matter what.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 07:46

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 07:46
Well said Bucky.
I 100% agree with you.
The responsibility it on them to overtake safely.
I will do what I can to minimize the inconvenience to their precious time and busy life. I don't pull over just because I am doing "10K's" under the posted speed LIMIT. And like you Bucky I talk to the trucks.
People are just becoming more rude and arrogant when behind the wheel.

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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:25

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:25
I also agree. The speed LIMIT is the max speed not necessarily the safest or most prudent speed for you and your rig. You are the driver you decide what is the best speed to suit YOUR conditions. The rest of you take a good look in the mirror and say out loud the same comments that you would make to those prudent drivers you meet on the road.

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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 13:13

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 13:13
You hit the nail right on the head,
'take a good look in the mirror'
On both counts.
Firstly, look at what's behind you.
Most vehicles have three mirrors. People please Use them, they are there for a reason.
I don't know how many times of late, that I can follow a vehicle towing or not, for miles,'Lack of overtaking opportunities' Slowly wind-up speed, indicate with plenty of notice and when you just get to their rear bumper they move over the center line. GRRR Then they see you and violently get the shakes.

Secondly, every body thinks they are the perfect driver,'I don't do that' or 'I don't tailgate" I know I try to be, but I make mistakes from time to time. But hey, I'll admit it when I do, And then try and correct it.
Kids are the best ones for that as well, 'Hey dad you don't use your indicator back there' They don't miss a trick. ;)

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Follow Up By: kiwicol1 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:10

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:10
Partly true Bucky. I live FNQ Tablelands, we get a lot of tourists, caravans etc. Many times i have travelled in a queue of anything up to 15-20 vehicles trucks bikes. Most of the time its near impossible to overtake because of on coming traffic, and blind corners. The bloke up front has more places to pull over safely let the traffic past and carry on. 99% of the time these people refuse to do this, so in turn get the abuse deservedly thrown at them. Some times the speed can be 40ks lower than the speed limit. Some times its the DHs up front that cause the accidents from not reading whats going on around them, including behind.

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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:23

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:23
Hey Col, Some would run out of patience here

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Follow Up By: kiwicol1 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:31

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:31
Yeh but see how its working pull over and let others through. Common sense. Col
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:50

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:50
Honestly Col,
I don't know how you guys, heavy transport and interstate drivers do it, day in and day out. It frustrates the hell out of me watching what some of these motorists get up to, especially around trucks.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 18:55

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 18:55

Cheers for the back up, but 80% of people would not have a problem thinking their way through a "situation"
What some people do not realise is, that the speed limit is the maximum safe speed, and not necessarily the correct safe speed, for the situation.

I remember getting a lift, from a 2 week "P" plater, to pick up my 4B, a few years back.. She drove down the main street of Wonthaggi, which was "shopping day" ( ie people and cars everywhere) at 60 km/hr, just 1 metre off the rear of the parked cars..

I schyte myself, and asked her to slow down...she replied that it's the speed limit !
My reply was what if a small child pops out, from between 2 vehicles, how will you miss the kid ?

I explained that the situation called for more like 15 - 20 km/hr, and to get out towards the middle of the road..

That is safe driving.. But she wasn't taught that way,

And here in lies the arguement, We must teach people safer ways of driving, and better getting there 5 -10 minutes later than causing grief to anybody.

Cheers Mate

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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 06:21

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 06:21
2 Years ago Philip and I did a big trip which included the Bruce Hwy about 30ks out of Harvey Bay this truck was sitting closer than necessary, I wasn't fazed until we were getting closer to town.,

This goose didn't back off and near pushed me through a set of lights, that's when I got on the 2 way and let him have it and then some, He backed off and then another car backed me up on the 2 way and told him what he thought of his driving standards as well.

To be honest if you try to push me along you I WILL let you get frustrated, If you give me room, I will give you room when it is safe for YOU to pass ME, NO sooner NO later.

Cheers Steve.
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 02:14

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 02:14
My opinion SDG is you have not done anything wrong. Any of those who expressed their opinions in an extremely derogatory manner... wake up. For your information in case you didn't know the posted speed limit is the MAXIMUM safe limit for optimal road conditions. Have you thought for a moment before releasing your vitriolic responses that there may have been good reasons why a particular vehicle was doing 10 kph under the MAXIMUM. God forbid that some poor bugger hold you up from your overridingly important time table. Yes truckies quite often are on tight schedules and like SDG I try my best to not hold them up and pull over when safe to let them pass, these big rigs can't accelerate or stop like the family car. 99% of these guys will give you an appreciative flash of their blinkers or if you are on channel say thanks. Maybe it is time to have a rethink if you believe road rage is the answer to our ever climbing road toll. You hope you never meet SDG on the road..............I hope I never have the occasion to cross paths with you.

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Reply By: Mr Pointyhead - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 07:58

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 07:58
I appreciate that the author is annoyed that people do not thank him for not moving over to let them pass. However, I suspect people touring on holidays often forget that the roads are also used by people traveling for business and leisure who are on much tighter schedules than they are.

Hence it is only common curtsy to let people who are traveling at the speed limit pass when it is safe to do so. It does not worry me one bit if I get thanked or not. That is the philosophy that I take when I am driving, and it results in a much relaxed trip for all concerned.

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Follow Up By: oldfart1953 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:30

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:30
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:28

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:28
Business or pleasure gives you some sort of right to be annoyed with some one travelling a little slower then the speed limit - you must live in a very sad world. You need a holiday yourself !

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Follow Up By: Fab72 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:54

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 12:54
Mr Pointyhead,
But SDG was not preventing them from overtaking. They could have passed him any time. You even said yourself "pass when it is safe to do so." That doesn't require SDG to facilitate a safe passing opportunity. It's the responsibility of the overtaking party to make an assessment of what is safe based on their vehicle capabilities and their driver competency.

Same as if a road train flashes you to say it's safe to overtake, you take the plunge based on the road train driver's assessment and then you find you've run out of road. Who's at fault there....not the road train driver for not facilitating a safe overtaking environment.

That's what the single, double and broken lines down the centre of the road are for. The onus is on the overtaking driver to overtake when it is safe to do so.

I think it'd be a different story if SDG was travelling at say 60 in a 100 zone, but 10kmph slower? Really.

In my experience, it's quite often these impatient people who overtake you who only to stop further up the road, as was the case with SDG.

SDG....your intent was good....your execution or choice of words could have been better, but for the record...I 100% agree with you.
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Follow Up By: Mr Pointyhead - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 13:20

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 13:20
Unfortunately some of the follow up post to my initial post just confirm that there are people out there who do not care about other road users.

I am not criticizing people for traveling under the limit, just suggesting that they should try to be considerate to other road users.

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Reply By: landed eagle - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 08:40

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 08:40
I usually tow my van at about 90-95km/hr. I'll glady move to the left BUT ONLY IF IT'S SAFE TO DO SO! If putting my van and vehicle off into a rough dirt strip beside a sealed road puts the rig, or worse, my family at risk, the line up can wait.
What annoys me is when I get to an overtaking lane I'll usually slow down to let as many as possible go past, but what usually happens is the snoozer in front of the conga line will cruise past instead of giving their car a good squirt for 5 seconds, and as a result only two or three vehicles will get around me before I have to barge my way back onto the road. I really hate being run out of road at the end of an o'taking lane!

What amuses me is some drivers will just about suck the doorhandles off your car going past and 10 minutes later I will pass them at a roadside stop having a coffee.
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Reply By: Karen & Geoff - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 08:43

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 08:43
If someone has to travel below the speed limit for safety reasons, then would it be safe to say that the road is a bit narrow or windy. There for would it not be safe to overtake, or pull off to the side of the road and let others pass!

I had a guy overtake me the other day coming into Melbourne. I was on the speed limit and he flew past me. Well Well, guess who I pulled up behind at the first set of traffic light. Yep, the idiot in a hurry who was speeding and overtook him a long way, hey.

Thats why there are so many head on's. So many people are so impatient and just have to overtake. They are not happy to sit there until the divided road or overtaking lane. SDG, you drive how you are happy to drive and you keep your family safe. Let the others behind you worry about what they are going to do.

We are just about to travel Aus with a 31 foot van, and I can tell you now, we will not be pulling to the side and putting us at risk, to let cars past, unless we can pull off in a parking bay or similar.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 19:05

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 19:05
Good call Karen

It's the responsibility of the passing motorist to do his bit safely, not yours.

I totally agree with you on the impatient motorist that does everything flat out, and at the end of the day, just how far in front of you are they ..??

Harder on fuel, brakes, tyres, and anything else that can be called human response, or limited intellegance.

Good luck with your travels, and stand your ground..

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Reply By: DIO - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 08:55

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 08:55
You should ALWAYS drive with due consideration and care for others.

If you are unable to maintain the posted speed limit you SHOULD keep a constant look in your rear view mirrors and when someone is following you and obviously intent on passing you SHOULD offer them every opportunity to do so and if that means you pulling off to the shoulder of the road then you SHOULD do so.
You must understand that by constantly driving below the posted limit YOU become a SERIOUS HAZARD to other road users travelling in the same direction.
By your actions you may cause other drivers to take unnecessary risks or do stupid things (such as crossing double limes, passing on corners etc).

Consider the situation where you are toddling along at say 80 km/ph in a 100 zone. A vehicle coming from behind and around a curve or perhaps over a crest and being confronted with your mobile road block, may not be able to stop, slow or evade you and collides with you. Yes it might be his/her fault BUT you would have been a very significant contributing factor in the incident perhaps even a fatality - whether you like it or not. Could you live with that ? Your holiday/trip may even be spoiled !
If you and your vehicle are not capable of travelling at the posted speed limits then it is YOU that has to make allowance for other motorists, NOT them for you.
Have you considered not travelling on main highways or thoroughafares? You could consider using the back-roads (secondary roads) !!

Suggest that you have a long hard think about your attitude to your manner of driving and your attitude towards other drivers.

In some States if detected by Police when you are travelling below the speed limit and obviously holding up other traffic, you may be committing an offence and you MAY be issued with an Infringement Notice and fined. Might even get a couple of demerit point and even have your rig inspected. There's always the chance then of having a defect notice issued and your trip/holiday put in jeporady. What a pity.
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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:06

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:06
Your point about "In some States if detected by Police when you are travelling below the speed limit and obviously holding up other traffic"

I have witnessed vehicles 'Holding' up traffic along the Pacific H'way between Grafton and Ballina on numerous occasions travelling at 80k's only to speed up at overtaking lanes, which doesn't allow any other traffic to overtake. Only to have a H/way Patrol car held up in the line up, they overtake them eventually, and keep travelling past them.
Not even the Police are bothered by their actions. To be honest DIO, I have never heard of anybody being fined for it in 27 years of driving.

Your comment about 'you are toddling along at say 80 km/ph in a 100 zone, A vehicle coming from behind and around a curve or" That would be true if they were doing 40 or 50k's,
How fast are you traveling? if you can not slow down enough if a vehicle is only 20k's slower than 100k's that you can't stop in time, Me thinks DIO your speeding at more than 100k's. I wouldn't call 80k's a 'Mobile Road Back', I would how ever if the vehicle speeds up to 100k's just before every overtaking lane as a lot of drivers DO no matter what they are driving.

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Follow Up By: Member - Dennis P (Scotland) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:38

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:38
By your reasoning, someone on a pushbike or even a horse and NOT travelling at 110 kilometres per hour is going to incur the wrath of a policeman!!
Pull over you on the horse and heres a demerit point for not riding fast enough!
Suggest you have a long hard think about the drivel you post or was your answer meant to be on the 'Friday Funny' thread.
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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 14:58

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 14:58
DIO said

"You must understand that by constantly driving below the posted limit YOU become a SERIOUS HAZARD to other road users travelling in the same direction.
By your actions you may cause other drivers to take unnecessary risks or do stupid things (such as crossing double limes, passing on corners etc)."


Other road users should be aware of serious hazards, and they come a lot worse than someone travelling 10 kms below the posted MAXIMUM speed limit.

Cause others to take risks ? No way - that is entirely their decision as a driver. They are making the decision to take risks or do stupid things entirely by themselves.

What's more, in many cases the posted speed limit for heavy haulage is 10 kms below the speed limit, so why is someone pulling their camper trailer at a similar speed going to be more of a hazard than a B-double?

Some people also choose to travel at the maximum posted speed limit in adverse weather conditions when it is not really safe to do so. Ultimately every driver is responsible for their own actions. Travelling at a lower speed limit for any number of reasons is not unsafe driving.



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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 19:16

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 19:16

Do not come up our way when the "cockies" are travelling down the roads, in harvest times..

You would have to think, observe, calculate, and slow down at the same time.. and we can't have that, can we ?

So where is your arguement there.. They have to get about too, and they pay their rego ( probably only 1/2 of them anyway. hehehe ) and they can only travel at one speed, at 20-30km/hr... but that may require you to brake.. heaven forbid, your are really inconvenienced now.. !

Every situation has different safety features to think about, and we must act quickly, and responsibly


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Reply By: OREJAP - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:56

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 10:56
Courtesy,courtesy & courtesy three very important words & highly applicable to our driving/travelling this great country of ours. Maybe the Forum should have a section similar to a certain ex TV show called "What Cheeses me off" There are motorist "out there" that are rude & just plain unfriendly just like the public can be at times. I would like to mention some "antics" performed by people/motorists who "cheese me off" 1. Caravan park. Get told to quiten down & don't talk so loud as "We are trying to get to sleep & have to leave early morning" Time 2000hrs (8pm) Woken by the same person 0530hrs (5.30am) backing 4wd onto c/van hitch with wife yelling out instructions...his mate in white 60 series Tojo backs up to his van with....reversing beeper blaring!!! Actually catch up to the gruesome twosome hours later travelling at 80 k/pH in a derestricted zone saving fuel holding up all the truckies & everyone else. 2. Service station. pull up behind vehicle at only diesel pump available...little vehicle in front uses unleaded but has blocked access to 6 pumps!!! waiting,waiting, waiting for driver of car to appear when they finally do he/she decides to unwrap ice cream slowly walk over to car and proceeds to sit in car putting seatbelt on, play with radio & eat ice cream...then gets annoyed when requested to move forward!!! Yes. could go on and on but at the end of the day, have faith there are more of us that consider others than those who don't
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Reply By: OzTroopy - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:12

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:12
Good on ya SDG.

You obviously make the attempt to allow other vehicles to overtake you ... where possible ... And its the lack of courtesy that seems to be getting to you.

heh heh ... 100kph on the clyde and the brown ???? .... There was a time when the only vehicles doing that sort speed on those roads .... were the runaway trucks looking for a safety ramp ... How times change eh .... LOL

90kph is not that much of an inconvenience on a mongrel section of road and Im sure there will be other roadusers besides you travelling at that speed on that road at any given time.

Im also choosey about how "polite" I am when travelling ... Vehicles behind me that are driven in what I deem a "professional" manner ... e.g. a couple of lengths back, and positioned to the right to view oncoming conditions ... are given every oppotunity to overtake me.

As for the rest ... darting from one side of the road to the other at constantly changing speeds .... I just hug the LHS edge of the bitumen - maintaining a constant speed and position ... so they can do what they like.

Many years ago I made a very obvious point of thanking a slow travelling caravan owner for moving onto the verge, allowing my motorbike to pass him without having to cross on into the oncoming lane.

I had to shout at him so as to drown out the drivel from the person writing me a ticket for crossing double white lines - when I hadn't.

Apparently if he didnt stop quizzing the officer about the need for my ticket - he would have been booked for " SOMETHING " too.

Just a cautionary tale ... about how an act of courtesy can backfire.

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Follow Up By: SDG - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 13:41

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 13:41
Don't care about the lack of courtesy. That is life. What my beef was is the fact I was getting abused BY THOSE i waved through. All because though lack of vehicle performance i had to slow down a little on a hill, and they may have had to slow down for a short distance till i able to let them pass.
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Reply By: Member - Bushpig - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:20

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 11:20
Do the math. Speed limit 100kph. Your speed 95 kph. 5kph for 5 hours equals 25 kms less than the speedsters. Extra time ...oh about 15mins. Slow down, save fuel, be more relaxed and virtually get there at the same time.
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Follow Up By: kiwicol1 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:29

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:29
Bushpig start putting those figures into heavy transport drive times, every time he comes behind a slower vehicle. In the tourist season that has put me sometimes up to an hour over my drive time,in a day cab working with in 200ks of home. Most of the time its caravans and motor homes causing the long queues and not working the over taking and safe areas to pull over. The im on holiday bugger every one else is so obvious. I bet in most work places if you work 90% slower than you are expected to work, not many people will keep their jobs.

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Follow Up By: Motherhen - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 16:51

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 16:51
True Bushpig

Many times on a journey of an hour or two, someone has whizzed past me early on arrives at the first traffic lights of the city with me right behind him. Far more relaxing (and a safer frame of mind to have when driving) to take it easy and not stress about getting in front of everyone.


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Reply By: Nargun51 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 13:50

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 13:50
Reading through the initial post the first image that crossed my mind was: ‘No-one's saying what a good boy I am, so I’m going to take my toys and play all by myself”

The actions described above are a manifestation of a road rage from a passive aggressive!

I understand totally the frustration of a lack of thanks from people you have let pass you; ignorant uncouth children of a lesser god that they are (travelling the Great Ocean Road a few Easters ago the kids counted a 15% thank you rate when I pulled into areas to let the backlog go).

However, to actively inconvenience people travelling the same road with the same “rights’ as the driver is amazing…I hope karma is real
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Reply By: Moose - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 14:38

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 14:38
No-one has commented on the fact that virtually all of those who abused SDG were Victorians.

Are you lot really that impatient and rude?

It would be interesting to see which State those who have replied come from and which side of the fence they sit on with respect to this post!

FWIW I too generally travel at below the posted limit when towing but always try to move over and allow those behind to pass if I can.

On narrow roads I don't like moving over if there's loose gravel on the edge for fear of spraying the vehicle behind with stones so sometimes thay just have to wait. If that annoys them then so be it, but I'm sure they'd be more annoyed if I was responsible for some chipped paint or a chipped or broken windscreen.
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Reply By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 14:52

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 14:52
The less vehicles behind me (and in front) the safer i feel when travelling.....if that means pulling over to let them pass, then i will. This is particularily important when i see a truck up my rear, it is not worth the hassle for all of us to simply ignore the situation and hold him up. The same be said of a car which may have different priorities.

Safety comes first when travelling long distances i feel, and if i can help the situation then i will. If that means travelling 10km/h slower then i will. However i am aware that if i do that then there are other ramifications that can cause an accident. I need to deal with that situation then. Ignoring it and not letting others past is not helping the situation IMHO and may cause an accident due to the risks people may take when overtaking. I could not live with that situation on my mind.

My thoughts on the situation.

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Follow Up By: kiwicol1 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:36

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 15:36
Well said Andrew. Col
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Reply By: Fab72 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 16:11

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 16:11
On a 100Kmph road it is an offence to exceed that limit even whilst performing an overtaking maneuver. Therefore if vehicle A was travelling at 95kmph and vehicle B was overtaking vehicle A, the maximum legal net difference in speed is 5kmph.

On the other hand if vehicle A was travelling at 80kmph and vehicle B was overtaking at 100kmph, then the net difference is 20kmph.

It's not hard to work out that vehicle B would therefore complete the overtaking maneuver in a shorter distance and quicker time.

This is blatantly obvious in the case of overtaking a triple road train. If the road train is struggling up a hill , I'd rather it be travelling at 60kmph rather than 95kmph if I were the one overtaking.

Sometimes it pays to see the glass half full rather than half empty.
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 16:40

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 16:40
It is amazing how little self control some people have. Australians call themselves "mates" but there is little evidence in everyday life that this has any meaning. But even our traffic laws make the drivers ignorant and create aggression. It is unknown in other countries that vehicles have right of way over pedestrians at pedestrian crossings. When you ride a bike along a road with traffic frequently turning into side roads you can bet that you get run over ig you don't pay attention, and may other situations.
My own experiences when towing made me decide that Australian drivers are not rude but plain stupid. When I have my camper loaded and towing my boat I usually run at +-2 of the posted speed limit. Thats the tolerance of my cruise control. In WA the situation is different because we have the towing speed limit at 100 when the rest can go 110 (creates a real problem at times). When towing the boat a lot of other vehicles towing have the urge to pass me (because towing a large boat and having a camper loaded means to them that they cannot stay behind - why ? is beyond me). The real nasty ones then pull in front of you and slow down and force me to switch of my cruise control and adjust to their speed. The majority of towing vehicles slow down on hills - I don't - and as a consequence I pass them on uphill passing lanes going the posted speed to experience the same thing again: I get passed with speeds way beyond the limit and then the vehicle pulls over to slow down. I have this all the time in WA with towing vehicles and with cars in the other states. I cannot really say that any particular state is worse than the other, because it happens pretty much everywhere and it is also pretty much independent of my speed. I tried going -5 and it happens and I tried going + 5 and it happens. Why it is beyond me. My cruise control holds speed very accurately and it should be a real gain to sit behind me and save fuel and relax. I usually do that with a truck when we are not going uphill and they slow down too much.

Another real bad thing is when you go along a 4 lane road and you run up to a slower vehicle and someone sits to your right not letting you pull over but make you brake until they have passed. Something unthinkable for me. When I see a truck running up to a slow vehicle I will either pass quickly or stay behind to let him pull over in front of me that he does not loose momentum.

What is described as courtesy in this thread is common sense for me, but unfortunately the majority of my fellow Australians are too selfish or do they lack the mental capacity to understand that ?

good on you when you try to do the right thing.. and don't worry about those with tiny brains.

have fun

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Follow Up By: Member - Lionel A (WA) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 17:31

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 17:31
Yep....Agree with that.

And also the idiot that will tailgate you for 10 kms on a straight without any on-coming traffic and then decide to overtake on the blind corner at the end.

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Follow Up By: Hairs & Fysh (NSW) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 07:17

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 07:17
Hi Lionel,
How often does that happen? I've lost count.
Or when you come behind a long line of traffic, say doing 70-75k's and nobody is prepared to over take and they are all bunched up, you pick them off one by one and get around the slow vehicle in front. And it is as if the flood gates are open, Around they all come, even round yourself up and your sitting just above the limit.
It's like as if nobody knew they could overtake.
What cracks me up is, most of the vehicles in the line up are road cars,with more get up and go then mine, yet an old cruiser had to show'em how it was done.

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Reply By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 18:48

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 18:48
As per usual we only have one side of the story.

Not trying to say you were in the wrong SDG, but there is usually 2 sides to a story and the truth usually sits somewhere in the middle.

Happy travelling.


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Follow Up By: SDG - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 22:36

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 22:36
The other driver was in a hurry to get his son to the toilet. At least that is what he told the police when he was being charged after putting a cricket bat through my front windscreen. Apparently he did not make it.
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Follow Up By: Member - greg S (QLD) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 23:38

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 23:38
There are a lot of people out there that are in a hurry to get to where they need to be and won't let anyone get in their way (just look at the road crash statistics as well as road rage incidents and you will understand ). This is unfortunately the way this country is going, with lots more people and lots more vehicles on the road and a hell of a lot less courtesy.

What can we do about it....probably nothing.....I find getting out of their way a much easier way of dealing with it and it saves me getting my stress levels up above what they should be. Let them get there 2 mins earlier than you, who cares. So what if you pull over 5 or 10 times on your journey, you seem to be in no hurry.

And just on what is said below about SES or rescue people trying to get to their depots/vehicles so they can get to a crash scene or some other emergency in good time. You have to think that, thats who may be behind you, and I for one would certainly not want that on my conscience if I knew that I had held them up and someone died because I was too stubborn to pull over.
Okay not every vehicle behind you will be on their way to a rescue, but you will never know and it might be someone you love or know that is in need of their assistance.

Just keep pulling over to let them through and be happy in the fact that you might be helping to save a life.

You might already do this I don't know but you might want to look at the time of day you drive, this way you can avoid most of the traffic and might save you some heartache.

Cheers Greg

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Reply By: Wilk0 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 21:08

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 21:08

I try to let the people in a hurry overtake when ever I can. I pull to one side and let them thru and you are correct some of them give you the 1 finger salute or hurl abuse.

I ignore them as over the years I've learnt that it doesn'tdo me any good getting cranky and hurling abuse back or giving the bird back.

It certaintly makes me a lot happier not giving a bleep what the people do I find it funny that some people get that worked up or are on such a limited time table.

You certaintly have copped it in this thread but saying that you wouldnt pull over will do that ( I know it was as a result of frustration) .

Cheers Wilko

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Follow Up By: SDG - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 22:48

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 22:48
I agree that I probably used a poor choice of word here. What I should have said was that in future I will wait till there is a safe/designated/recognised area to allow it. Currently I will move over and wave people through if it is safe enough, which often results in me going over the fog line.

BTW. This only ever occurs when going up hill.
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Reply By: Holden4th - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 21:14

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 21:14
Hello SDG, please don't change your normal courteous habits and keep allowing other motorists to pass you by waving them through at a safe point regardless of their response. You'll be keeping the roads a bit safer as a result. People who get frustrated because they can't do the speed that they want to do sometimes let their now elevated emotions overrule their judgment further down the road.

Please ignore the lack of respect shown by these people, you're a far better driver than that. Just smile at them as they drive past and shake your head later. You know the limitations of your towing situation and if the idiot behind you is to dumb to realise that then that is his problem, not yours.

What you really want is to get these guys well and truly out of your way. A poor overtaking decision by them could result in you being involved in an accident through no fault of your own.

So, don't change the good driving habits you've developed over a life time. You know that you are doing the right thing and you don't need the accolades of idiots like theseto back up your stance. What the hell would they know about good driving. To put it simply, these sorts of drivers aren't even worth getting worked up about.
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Reply By: Member - Longtooth (SA) - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 21:41

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 21:41
As a CFS volunteer fire fighter/road crash crew/ and many other assigned duties, it is most irritating when there is a hold up ahead and the blocking vehicle stays much slower than is safe on that section of road. Whilst using our own vehicles to get to the station to crew up on the emergency vehicle we are not permitted to exceed the speed limit or indeed break any road rules. It is usually only one or two vehicles ahead driving at 40-45 kmh with other vehicles coming from the opposite direction thus preventing us overtaking and getting to the station two minutes faster. Remember that two minutes may be enough to save your life or property in the country - don't block vehicles who seem to be in a hurry for no apparent reason. It may be me trying to save you or your loved ones one day. And further to your post near the top, suggest you check the legality of using flashing headlights in the Australian Road Rules - last I looked it was legal for this to be used as a warning. Never was once but things have and continue to change. And also keep your eyes out for those flashing red and blue lights accompanied by a siren. It's amazing how many ignorant and inattentive drivers never see us - even when right behind you, and the headlights are also flashing as a further warning.
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Reply By: offroad_tommo - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 22:53

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 22:53

Many people these days enjoy the high speeds associated with country travel. If they choose to do that, that’s fine but I believe there has to be a higher tolerance to those, like yourself who don’t. I usually travel around 80/90km/hr due to my vehicle. On most occasions people understand this and overtake, or if a curvy road I will wave to let them know its safe to pass.

However, many also seem to tailgate. On one particular incident I was tailgated for some time before this person decided to overtake and cross into the other lane, on a blind corner and into the direct path of another vehicle coming the opposite way. The other vehicle put the lights on and horned it and this bloke still tried to pass, I reckon he made it with just less then a meter to spare from the other vehicle and a few inches from my bulbar -due to me braking to let him in. The stupid thing was that there was an overtaking lane not more then 5kms away…

Depending in your speed, if your doing 50km or less I rekon its good courtesy to let people pass when you can. IF however you cant, then they are going to have to live with it and overtake when safe to do so - if possible indicate to let them know its safe. During the tourist season im always stuck behind them, its always interesting trying to overtake, but its all part of sharing the roads isn’t it.

There’s always your idiots on the roads, but there’s also sensible ones who will appreciate it, so don’t generalise all to be idiots and not let them pass, what if I get stuck behind you one day? Haha

And good travels!
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Reply By: Member - Au-2 - Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 22:55

Friday, Jan 15, 2010 at 22:55
What would you all call it when, after being held back, along with at least 20 other cars, at 70kmh for 45 mins in a 100kmh zone, you finally get behind the hold-up car after many others have nearly killed them selves and us.

Sheer Bloody Arrogance!

Especially when the driver of that car has hand painted a sign which sits in the rear window that says, " I choose my speed, NOT YOU!"

This happened 20 yrs ago between Hervey Bay and Gympie, when there were very few overtaking lanes, not many straight stretches and very narrow roads.

When we got to Gympie, and reached the south end of town, ahead of the S.O.B. due to double lanes in the town, we were very pleased to see a police car sitting on the side of the road and hoped they were waiting for the arrogant old geezer to come around the bend.

On a recent trip to Brisbane, I was shocked at the number of cars which changed lanes in front of us with little or no warning. They cut it so fine, I was flinching in expectation of being hit by them. Sad to say, too many of them were towing camper and boat/trailers.

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Reply By: The Boss (Formerly Kroozer) - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 03:50

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 03:50
Courtesy is all i can say. Give some and expect some, but as others have said you can only do what you feel is safe to do. Dont let impatient buggers get to you, take a break, relax, soak it all in while it lasts. Just say to yourself, well im on holidays, and he/she aint, who gets the last laugh then.

I would be more worried about the trucks which are overtaking you, if your only doing 10k under the limit, then how on earth are they going so fast?
Thats the real danger.

I did the great Ocean road last year, and i was fairly flogging my vehicle to get around and up and down, and sticking as close to the limit as possible without becoming dangerous, and yet i sometimes had up to 5 cars behind me, and motorbikes overtaking on corners. I stopped when i could safely, but it just had me absolutley stunned at the speeds these people were travelling. I would have stopped for at least 50 cars, and around 10 of them P platers.

Im suprised there isnt a death a day on that road.
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 07:12

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 07:12
Now here is a new twist for those people who are following this thread - most of the impatient ones out there on the roads are non EO members ! :-))

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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 07:26

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 07:26
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Follow Up By: fisho64 - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:39

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:39
ha-you must be a statistician!
Look at it the other way-most of the members say its alright to hold traffic up if youve got the rags on and non members say he should do the right thing and be courteous!!
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