Satellite phone in the desert?

What is reception like on satellite phones in the poeppels corner, warburton track, camerons corner, innaminka areas? Does anyone know where I can hire one in central qld? We need to have contact with home while we are away this time. Never used one before on our trips. Thanks in advance.
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Reply By: Member - Roachie (SA) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:17

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:17
The theory is that it won't matter where you are on the planet, a sat phone should give you contact.

My experience has been that the sat phone isn't quite as reliable as we are given to believe, depending on various issues, such as weather conditions etc.

However, if you try to make a call and fail, then if you wait a half hour (or whatever) and try again, you may have better luck ......

Hope this helps,

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Follow Up By: Ozrover - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:31

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:31
Also getting to a high place helps, & be patient it might take a while but you will pick up a signal eventually.

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Follow Up By: Member - Bucky - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:43

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:43
G Day Roachie

One thing that we found out, was that if there is no signal, then all you have to do is wait a while, till a satelite flies overhead..

But I think that there are good sat phones, and then there sat phones.

In an emergence, and I stress "an emergency", then nothing beats an EPIRB, and maybe a SPOT personal tracker, with emergency beacon locaters built in..

Cheers Bucky


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Reply By: Carlin - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:25

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:25
Thanks for the link!
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Reply By: Member - Neville & Sally C (VI - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:55

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 10:55
Hi Carlin, We bought one recently. We"d hired one from Kalgoorlie in previous yrs.
With a lot of research, we found that the Irridium is the one to go for. The sattelites for the others are too unreliable. Don't be fooled into the new cheaper one. If the Irridium has trouble just wait 10 mins to catch the next sattelite.
We were able to find where to hire a sat phone through a wonderfully helpfull bloke at The Australian National 4wd radio network inc. Committee member Barry Englefield 07 33562190 is one of the commitee members in an old book. for Qld.
We went through
the W.A. branch as we were going to W.A.
We bought ours from Jackie Willon at Safecity, she was very helpful. I haven't got her address at present. but could look it up this arvo if you want.
Take care, safe travels.
Bye. Sally.
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil B (WA) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:10

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:10
I agree with Sally,

Iridium, Iridium Iridum.

I have friends who switched from another provider and can't believe the better all round reception.
Thankfully I got a Iridium first time. They bought cheap and then bought twice, as the saying goes.

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Follow Up By: pdm3006 - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 13:39

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 13:39
Please do yourself a favour and DO NOT buy a Globalstar sat phone.
I bought one (used) a little while back and there are so many holes in their satellite constellation it makes it near useless.
Globalstar were supposed to launch extra satellites to fix the problem by start of 2010 but this was delayed by the GFC and will now happen 4th quarter 2010 unless there are further delays.
Thuraya is available via Optus or you can look on eBay. It is cheaper to buy a Thuraya handset than Iridium and the 2520 is satellite and GSM capable and is smaller than all the Iridium phones except the super expensive 9555.
Can also be used on pre-paid plans which is ideal for ocassional use. Should work great in the relatively flat outback. The reason is the Thuraya uses geo-stationary satellites. Thuraya 3 which covers Australia in on the equator roughly over Indonesia. So the further east you are, the lower the angle to the satellite. Hence I did not go for Thuraya as I would use it mainly in the Victorian high country. Out that far east the satellite is only about 25 degrees off the horizon which won't work don the bottom of a gully with hills around it.
Anyway I know lots about satellite phones. PM me if you wish to discuss further as I'm happy to help.
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 14:21

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 14:21
Too right re Globalstar. It works for 10 mins here, 20 mins there.

It is so screwed up that you need to go to their internet site to predict when it will work at your location!

If you have an internet connection, you don't need a sat phone. Doh.

Here is their prediction for Melbourne for today.

Start time End Time Working time
02:13:16 PM 02:43:46 PM 30 min 30 sec
02:51:46 PM 03:05:06 PM 13 min 20 sec
03:22:46 PM 03:36:16 PM 13 min 30 sec
04:07:36 PM 04:28:06 PM 20 min 30 sec
04:29:36 PM 04:43:46 PM 14 min 10 sec
04:52:26 PM 05:07:36 PM 15 min 10 sec
05:22:56 PM 05:38:36 PM 15 min 40 sec
06:07:06 PM 06:22:46 PM 15 min 40 sec
06:31:56 PM 06:45:46 PM 13 min 50 sec
06:47:56 PM 07:07:46 PM 19 min 50 sec
07:22:56 PM 07:37:26 PM 14 min 30 sec
08:09:36 PM 08:23:16 PM 13 min 40 sec
08:32:06 PM 09:02:36 PM 30 min 30 sec
09:28:06 PM 09:41:46 PM 13 min 40 sec
10:11:16 PM 10:25:36 PM 14 min 20 sec
10:32:16 PM 10:46:06 PM 13 min 50 sec
10:48:56 PM 11:02:46 PM 13 min 50 sec
11:26:16 PM 11:42:16 PM 16 min 0 sec
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Follow Up By: Top End Explorer - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 00:15

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 00:15
18 months ago I demanded the Globalstar (Pivotel) exchange my Qualcom for a new Iridium Phone at no charge, 2 weeks and a few choice words later it was done, this new phone works well with no drop out problems.

Cheers Steve.
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Follow Up By: Carlin - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:12

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:12
Great thanks folks! I am on it!
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Reply By: Willem - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:07

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:07
I have a Motorola 9500 (7 years old). Have been with Telstra Iridium since I bought the phone all that time ago. Access is $30pm with $10 worth of free calls. Costs around $2.20 per minute for a call

Have never had an issue getting connected within 30 seconds anywhere in Australia (mostly very remote desert trips) and overseas in the southern hemisphere. Phone is still on its original battery!


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Follow Up By: Member - Brooksy (Dubbo, NSW) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 13:06

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 13:06
I have had the same phone as Willem for the same period of time and concur with everyhing he has said. Also with Iridium, the satellites are orbiting the earth though a smaller radius compared to the Vodaphone satellites, so you don't get a delay occuring during a converstion

Regards
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Follow Up By: Ozhumvee - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 07:23

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 07:23
Our 9500 is a similar age as well, still going strong, works whenever and wherever we turn it on.
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Reply By: Boobook2 - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:34

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 11:34
You can hire them from Birdsville and Mt Dare for one way travel across the Simpson, or even post it back to them when finished if you go elsewhere.

Sat Phone Hire - Birdsville & Mt Dare





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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 14:11

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 14:11
Iridium have 24 satellites circling the earth.

Their base station is in USA and the satellites relay the comversation to each other till one can see the earth station and connect the call

The others have one satellite which may or may not decide to work.

By using an Iridium phone and a Telstra Sim card you can make calls for approx $3 a minute with no other charges.

You do however also pay for inward calls to the satphone using this method.

Is fine for a few calls and emergencies

The sim must NOT be a prepaid and must be internationally roamed to work

I would think the hire servic would be best if you only intend using it for one trip.

9505A's can be bought for around $1000 on Ebay Just be careful.
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 17:10

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 17:10
To be exact Graham, Iridium has 66 active satellites which it needs for complete coverage. There are a few spares and 2 defunct ones. One was crashed into by a soviet satellite.

There were to be 77 satellites ( as per 77 electrons in the element Iridium) but that stopped when they went bankrupt years ago.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 18:01

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 18:01
Ok I was right but I was wrong

Here is the history and future enhancements.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iridium_satellite_constellation

He he Cheers
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Follow Up By: Carlin - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:18

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:18
Thanks. So iridium is the go ..... now .... can I hire one? I need to have contact with hubby everyday.
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Reply By: Member - Neville & Sally C (VI - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 14:36

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 14:36
Hi Carlin,
Back again, I seem to have mislead people into into thinking you want
to buy one but buying or hiring the same advice applies. We bought one because we could use it for work as well and they have" plans " like a mobile , as Willem says. With the Thuraya, as has been said, regarding the satellites over Indonesia, they also shut them down willy nilly too. I've been told that by a person who really knows all about it. The satellites for the Iridium go past every 7 minutes apparently. The web site for The Australian National 4WD Radio Net work Inc. is http:// www. vks737.on.net if Mount Dare can't help. As I said, they might know of someone who hires them in your area or on the way to your journey beginning.
Take care. Safe travels.


Bye Sally.
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Follow Up By: Carlin - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:19

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:19
Thanks you! I will ring people this week. I want to be able to ring hubby at home everyday :-)
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Reply By: Members Paul and Melissa (VIC) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 14:44

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 14:44
I also have a 9500 and it has worked whenever i required it to. unfortunatley i required to use it several times between innamincka and birdsville and it connected straight away,also in the victorian high country in the bottom of a heavily treed valley it worked flawlessly. iridium is he only way to o IMHO
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Follow Up By: Members Paul and Melissa (VIC) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 14:45

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 14:45
mine like willems is still running its original batteries(8 odd years old)
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 16:06

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 16:06
I hope they keep working for you as they are over $200 new and the later 9505A ones are different.

They look the same but have different pin locations on them.


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Follow Up By: Willem - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 13:22

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 13:22
I have a spare battery. It works well too :-)
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Reply By: brushmarx - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 16:40

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 16:40
We carried our work Iridium across Brisbane to Perth by the Outback Way in December and back across the Nullarbor in the first week of Jan. Never a problem with contact, just the satellite delay in transmission for a second or three until a response is heard.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 17:33

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 17:33
Hi Carlin

We too chose the Iridium network, and when we needed to use the phone had problems with drop outs. A lucky chance meeting with friends in outback set me right; take off the portable antenna and only use the one on the car roof (magnetic). No more drop outs and a clearer signal thanks to that advice. You would need to persevere with the 'silly little antenna' if using it when on walks (in an emergencies).

Like Willem, we paid $30 per month being the cheapest monthly rate but calls dearest rate. As we only travel spasmodically, i suspended the plan (with a lot or argument to even do that) then reinstated it when we set off next trip. When we returned and i went to suspend again, Telstra staff said yes, but we only suspend for three months now. As we may not be travelling again for a year or two, i cancelled it, as i know someone who goes through an alternative provider (same network) for $30 per month. The only difference is that each new connection, he is allocated a new number. Not a problem for me as we only give out the number to immediate family for emergencies.

We met someone else who had purchased a prepaid amount of fees and calls through yet another provider, but that wouldn't have worked for us, as we rarely make calls, don't travel long term, and i think the minimum purchase was $800 covering monthly fees and calls.

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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 17:55

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 17:55
Just use a Telstra Sim card.

Ours is in a grab bag in the centre console and we only used it across the Nullabor.

Just stuck my normal cellphone card in it.

When using the extendable aerial it is best pointed vertically or towards the general direction of the satellites.

I used the magnetic one this trip.

cheers.



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Reply By: Member - John R (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 19:42

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 19:42
Hi Carlin, there are a couple of places in Rockhampton you could try - let me know if you'd like phone numbers.
Hiring sat phones was expensive last time I looked, eg around $100/wk. Could be better to buy, then re-sell afterwards.

Cheers, John
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 20:54

Saturday, Jan 16, 2010 at 20:54
Cheapest Ive seen was $17 a DAY.



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Follow Up By: Carlin - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:11

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:11
To be honest I would rather pay more to hire a good one then hire a cheap one and not work.
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Follow Up By: Carlin - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:32

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:32
yes would love to know places in rocky please.
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:16

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 11:16
I didnt mean it was a cheap phone.

I meant it was the least you have to pay to hire one

They are Motorola Iridium phones packed in a travel case.

Look in the ads in Caravan Mags some advertise there.

If you Google "Satellite phone hire Australia" you will get heaps of answers


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Follow Up By: Member - John R (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 21:38

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 21:38
Hi Carlin, try Nixon Communications (4927 1455), C & R Communications (4922 6411) or Capricorn Communications (4926 1172) for info. Cap Comm used to only hire Globalstar phones, so probably not of use to you, unless they've changed. As Graham says though there are also plenty of places that will hire you a sat phone, and ship it to you.

Cheers, John
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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 09:49

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 09:49
Do you 'really' need a sat phone ? On the route that you have indicated you will never be more then half a day from some place that has a telephone for emergency calls.

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Follow Up By: Carlin - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:09

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:09
Phone is not for emergencies. I need contact on a daily basis with family at home for specifoc reasons. We have never had one before in our travels through the desert. So yes I REALLY need one.
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Follow Up By: Boobook2 - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:18

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:18
Carlin, better get written approval for one from KK just to be sure. :-)
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Follow Up By: Carlin - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:22

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 10:22
Roger that!
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 22:11

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 22:11
Look in the Trader there is one for sale $950 If its got the external aerial etc its a bargain and sell it when you have finished with it

Thats what I paid for mine. A 9505A
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 22:15

Sunday, Jan 17, 2010 at 22:15
Had a better look and its a 9500 still ok but cant send text messages

Negotiate and ask for the total minute records for it as they record usage time.
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Reply By: Steve63 - Monday, Jan 18, 2010 at 14:36

Monday, Jan 18, 2010 at 14:36
Any of the Iridium network options work well in all the locations you have mentioned. Be aware that the devices are quite big and they need to have reasonably clear access to the sky. They usually come with a magnetic antenna for use in a vehicle. They do not work well (if at all) inside a building. So they are not really like a mobile phone in that respect. Other than that they work easily and have voicemail etc as you would expect. Just use google or yellow pages to find hirers. We looked into hiring a few times and it was so expensive for the period (10 weeks) we ended up buying one. This was in the early days so hopefully the rate has dropped a bit. Make sure you have a practice before you go.

Steve
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