Saturday, Jan 30, 2010 at 17:39
I will probably get flamed for this but will say it anyway.
Manufacturers go to great lengths to produce a van that complies with the law and so not cause the customer any troubles.
The customer then gets it
home and sticks a beeping great toolbox on either the back or the front plus two spare tyres and an outboard,
Not referring to this poster by the way
They then load it up to the hilt with everthing regardless of weight.
Fill the car up equally so and whack a roof rack and tinny on it. Load up the rack under the tinny to the max.
Do they weigh it do they care I wonder sometimes.
Vans and cars have limits but some dont seem to worry
Vans also have overhang limits at the rear Eg my Coromal legally cant have a spare on the bumper because its 150mm too long in
the overhang
A 100 ser Cruiser for instance has a towing capacity of 3500kg.
But NOT at its fully loaded GVM of 3260 kg
Reason the GCVM is only 6680kg which gives a towing limit of 3420kg including roof rack and ball weights as part of the 3260kg.
This is hard to achieve if you have a heavy van as with a ball weight of say 300kg and fuel of 145kg so thats 445 kg out of your 672kg limit for an Auto
Manual is 30 kg less.
So that leaves you 227kg for you and mum and any gear you want to carry in the back. Take off 130 kg for the roof rack and its load and you have 97kg left for you and mum amd now no load and you are already illegal. Then you weigh the van and its 3480kg so Hmmmmmmm what do we do now.
Do we go as we are with quite likely no insurance if we have some misfortune
or do we get sensible and lighten the load.
Upgrading the GVM of the car may be an option but it DOES NOT upgrade the GCVM so whilst you can carry more you can tow less.
A perfect instance of this was a guy who was beside me at
Jurien Bay
Great big Bushtracker with HUMUNGOUS tool box on the A frame Tinny and trailer upside down on roof rack of Cruiser
Spares and outboard on the back of van.
I asked him how much it weighed.
Somewhere about 3.7 tonne he said laughing.
Also weight distribution is upset by adding extra weight at both ends and can lead to snaking and swaying.
There is a thread with a link about this done by a university in England and by adding weight as described and running through a mild slalom course proved that it lead to jacknifing after a certain point was reached.
Your vans, your money, your lives Just setting out some limits which it seems are neither heeded or worried about.
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 30, 2010 at 17:46
Saturday, Jan 30, 2010 at 17:46
Got carried away there and forgot to say that vans also have a limit of usually 300kg for a single axle van or 400kg for a tandem.
Some off road have higher capacities
We found it hard to stay legal with a tandem and enough stuff for a years touring in both the car and the van.
We had to leave r/rack behind and take a bit of gear out of both vehicles.
We have never missed the stuff so guess we didnt need it and others could do the same.
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Follow Up By: Dirk T (WA) - Saturday, Jan 30, 2010 at 18:26
Saturday, Jan 30, 2010 at 18:26
Hi Graham,
Yes weights are a problem. I have tried to be as methodical as possible with what we have in the van, and sometimes you do have to leave some stuff behind, but my wife complains quite loudly if I don't take her with me!!
Thanks again to all who bothered to reply and offer ideas.
Cheers
Dirk T
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Saturday, Jan 30, 2010 at 19:19
Saturday, Jan 30, 2010 at 19:19
Its not so much the weight as where you put it that can cause problems
Adding a lot of weight to the rear of a
well balanced van can be a recipe for disaster.
The guy who does my van repairs said that when you hit a bump the weight can increase up to sevenfold so hope the bar is more than adequate.
Some say Oh
well I added 100kg at the back so will even it out with 100kg at the front.
This has been proved to contribute to a horizontal pendulum effect.
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