Tirfor T516 shear pin questions

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G'Day fourbies

Having recently purchased a 2nd hand Tirfor T516, it is missing spare shear pins.

Unfortunately no manual came with it, so not sure which size pins, and would buying one from Bunnings be safe to use or is a specialised pin required?

Where can i get one from and which size etc.

Thanks in advance

Nick
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Reply By: oldfart1953 - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:23

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:23
Would advise buying (genuine) rated shear pins fitting the incorrect shear pin....potentially dangerous. Visit a reputable 4WD outlet & purchase there.
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Follow Up By: oldfart1953 - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:37

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:37
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Follow Up By: Member - Supertramp (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:48

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:48
Ha ha not you too!!

Saw her as i posted the first messgae, but hey where did she gone to???
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Follow Up By: Member - Supertramp (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:50

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:50
Ah she's back!!
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 12:29

Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 12:29
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Reply By: Notso - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:28

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:28
These people seel them so they'd have the sheer pins.

Best to use the correct pins as you don't want it to sheer too early or too late

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Reply By: Rod W - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:32

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:32
You'll find they are either aluminium or brass so buy some appropriate sized aluminium or brass rod and cut you own and save heeps.
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Follow Up By: Member - Fred B (NT) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:58

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 18:58
Yes you might, but you might also have strife if it shears too early or not at all.
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Follow Up By: Ken - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 19:07

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 19:07
The pins are actually aluminium and not expensive. While they do not result in any release of the load during failure there is simply no excuse for penny pinching.

Under load if the pins let go early the operator could be thrown off balance possibly causing injury. If they are too strong it could result in bent or damaged components of the Tirfor.

I strongly doubt Bunnings would stock parts or have any knowledge of Tirfors ! Best to go to a lifting equipment specialist and forget about half baked substitutes.

Ken
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 19:08

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 19:08
Only some one with a death wish would even think of using alloy pins in a winch

Have used different makes including a Tirfor and they had steel pins iin them


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Follow Up By: Ken - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 19:39

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 19:39
Graham, you may be thinking of pins inside the pulling mechanism which I expect would be steel rather then aly. Possibly someone with misguided sense of engineering may have replaced them with steel pins as my Tirfor which I bought new, has aly pins on the shaft and 3 spare ones inside the storage cavity of the operating lever, not the handle the bit the handle goes onto.
The only danger with the failure of these shear pins is the winch can't be operated, absolutely no risk of the load being released with or without a death wish !


Ken
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Follow Up By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 20:09

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 20:09
We used one in the 60's in the bush in NZ had about 100ft of about 1/2in wire rope on a roll with it We had to carry it in a pack on our back and I remember it was very heavy to carry too far.

We used it to winch our Jetboat out of the water when it sunk and a tractor when it did likewise.
Also used it shifting fallen trees.,

Used it for 5 years and never sheared a pin.

This was good as we had no spares and were about 5 hours walk from the nearest road and then about 200 miles from the nearest spare partsoutlet.

LOL
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Reply By: brushmarx - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 20:17

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 20:17
Many people carry spare pins in the handle of the winch.
Have you checked there to see if the previous owners left you any?
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member - Supertramp (NSW) - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:47

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:47
G'day brushmarx,

Yeah there is supposed to be two plastic caps on either ends of the yellow lever, but a cap is missing so no pins are inside.

I guessed the previous owner may have either used the pins or they got lost.

Bugger for me!


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Follow Up By: 62woollybugger - Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 10:20

Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 10:20
I had the same thing when I bought a 2nd hand Tirfor years ago, the plastic caps were missing & no pins. The first time I went to use it, I looked down inside & there was a spare pin stuck in the grease inside the winch. Have a look inside, you could get lucky, like I did.
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Reply By: turbopete - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 20:38

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 20:38
Hi Supertramp I have recently purchased genuine tirfor shear pins for my 15cwt tirfor from Nobles Dandenong Ph 97069333 www.nobles.com.au

A special shape is reqd I bought 2 and 2 spares cost $38.59 Peter
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Reply By: TrevorDavid- Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:15

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:15
Supertramp, I have a manual of the 516, I can send you a copy if you wish.
Just MM me if you would like one.

Regards

TDB
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Reply By: Rod W - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:16

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:16
Further to my post above and this will probably set the cat amongst the pigeons.

Hands up all those who have a tirfor type winch and have actually had a sheer pin sheer on them whilst it was being used? I have to both. Do you know what happens when the sheer pin busts? apart from the handle flopping around like a floppy d--- nothing. Nothing flies apart etc etc.

I actually have the Anchor brand rated at 1600kgs and have borrowed my mates Tirfor T516. My Anchor I've had for quite a few years and I use it mainly for pulling out tree stumps which applies tonnes and tonnes more pressure to the winch compared to winching out a stuck vehicle. Early in the piece I did bust the bronze/brass sheer pin through its diameter that was around 6mm. I couldn't get rod of the equivalent size so I brought 7mm dia bronze/brass rod and drilled the hole to suit the new size.

A few months ago I wanted to remove a Cocos Palm stump and they are as stubborn as buggery. I borrowed me mate's Tirfor and set up both winches each with a snatch pulley in the set up. Everything was a taught as bugger and I'd just been on the Anchor winch and then moved to the Tirfor and suddenly the Tirfor's handle is flopping around in my hand, its sheer pin sheered. I discovered later that they are aluminium and they sheer along the length of the pin. To get the job done I had a set-up with 3 snatch pulleys and my Anchor winch... I won.
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Follow Up By: Ken - Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:36

Tuesday, Feb 02, 2010 at 21:36
Spot on Rod, no risk at all.
The pins have a set of grooves running the length of the pins which result in the longitudinal fracture of the metal. This is a bit different to shear pins in say PTO shafts where the pin is pressed through a hole in the 2 bits and excessive load results in shearing across the diameter of the pin.

Ken
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Reply By: Ray - Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 10:28

Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 10:28
If you break the shear pin on a Tirfor you are obviously overloading it and definitely don't use a piece of scaffold tube for a handle. Shear pins are designed to break if the machine is overloaded and should only be replaced with the genuine article.
If you find that you are out of the lifting/pulling range of the machine then double or triple reeving but DO NOT use the Tirfor rope for this purpose as it is specially hardened rope and the Tirfor rope can be damaged passing around the snatch blocks. Also only use genuine Tirfor rope in the winch itself.
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Follow Up By: Member - Andrew (QLD) - Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 12:37

Wednesday, Feb 03, 2010 at 12:37
You can indeed use snatch blocks on a Tirfor as long as it is the correctly sized one. Tractel, the manufacturer of the original Tirfor hand winch endorse it to increase capacity. reference: http://www.tractel.com/en/products.php?id_product=226&id_serie=47

Our Organisation issue a Wire Rope Snatch Block designed for the Tirfor that is much larger (sheave to diameter ratio >20:1) than these smaller diameter versions sold by the 4wd shops.

Without encouraging the use of extended handles, there is nothing unsafe in doing so. The shear pins will protect the device from overloading. Remember that one needs almost 50kg force on this product at WLL to haul.

Hope that helps.

Andrew
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