Tyre Choice ??

P.S. Deano, A search of the forum would provide all the differing opinions and issues you'll need. Just search each tyre type individually and see what you come up with.

Cheers Mick

(Sorry Myles, I had to).

Cooper STT, when you want to get there, on time, every time!!!! :))))

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He he he….. Mick.
It was just eating at you wasn’t it.
I forgive you.
Regards,
Myles.

I currently have a set of Cooper ST's which have done 90,000kms. Although they still have about another 10,000 kms in them I am about to replace them with a set of Cooper STT's prior to the outback trip we are starting in April.

ST's - All Terrain with long millage

STT - stronger side wall - for aggressive tread suitable for mud, etc but as is the case with this sort of tyre reduced milage (although still expect to get 70,000+)

I have done about 200,000 kms on Coopers and have only had 1 flat (nail)

See no reason to change

Geoff

Coopers are overpriced rubbish.

Had both ST and STC - never again.

I agree - we lived in Karratha for 15 years and stupidly put Coopers onto our Pathfinder one year, didnt last 20K before we had to change them out! Ask the guys at the Red Dog 4WD Club in Karratha all about them.

Definatley recommend the BFG's

Cooper are a rare breed in the north of WA. The locals think they are rat..it.

You took the words right out of my mouth Barnesy.

They were huge at the start, now you hardly ever see them. If you do, there not on a locals car or a real 4wd.

hi
i have had 2 sets of coopers the first set went ok but the next set the tread rubber broke up and the casings started to seperate so i went back to

bfg's as michelin own them now and i had an excellent run out of them even before michy;s bought them my choice is ---bfg

have also tried 3 sets of bridgstones but the tread use to wear down rapidly although had no casing problems with them
cheers
for what it's worth

Hmmm are you sure that's correct? 19 plugs isn't "tiny" Ha Ha . I'll let you know how they go on the new beast.

Mick

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cheers Joe. Am in Port Hedland and do load up a fair bit. I run a vehicle hire company up here so see my fair amount of tyre damage. I wouldnt use Coopers from the reviews and discussions i have had with clients. Will be doing GRR at easter and do local tracks (local could be up to 500kms away). not much sand or mud. from this and other forums plus discussions with clients and friends I am looking at (in order)
1. Goodyear wrangles MTR "kevlar"
2. BFG All Terrains
3. Bridgestone duellers
Again, any input into these (or other) tyre selections would be greatly appreciated

Cheers Deano

G'day Deano.
Thanks for the addition as to where you are in the Pilbara.
I honestly hope it did not come across as if I hate Coopers, because I really don't give an utter rats as to what people drive their vehicles on, and most people buy purely on what information the advertisers bombard you with and Cooper Tires have a bloody good advertising budjet, It is interesting to note though, Mickey Thompson Tires seem to be the flavour of the month in the major 4wd magazines that come out of the eastern states. But thats just an observation.

The fact is, I've seen more dead Cooper STT tyres than almost any other brand. If you look at the image I posted ~ the spare is actually a Cooper ST.
They to are problematic but nowhere anything like the STT's.

I just hope no one ever asks me about my vehicle preferences and why I would not touch certain big brand vehicles with a long stick !! Now there's a stir for you.

I actually had a very honest run out of my previous set of mud tyres, right up until one tyre started to disintergrate in the carcase, I had a brilliant run out of the Mickey Thompson MTZ's until that one tyre killed the dream.
Would I buy them again ~ No not in a pink fit ~

I have only fairly recently had Newman Tryre's supply and fit 6 ~ BFG MTK's.
I've taken the wheels off the Cruiser and left the BFG's in the shed, to cure inflated on the rims, I do this with every set of tyres. Now I know I will cop some flack, but the method has worked for me for many years.

I run Bridgestone Dueler A/T's for highway work, having only last week returned to Newman after a 3700 road trip towing the caravan, yes the Duelers spent six or seven months in hibernation too!!

I travel up to Hedland fairly regularly, I'll be up there in acouple of weeks time.

Cheers:

You made me ask? Whats the go with ''curing'' the tyres in the shed?

Just curious.

G'day "The Boss"

I honestly had hoped this tyre thread would not become a slanging match, between tyre brands. The point that should remain very clear is tyre choice and the application of that tyre choice.

I don't think it really matters if you prefer one brand name tyre over another,or one tread pattern over another, the basic and very important thing is to use the tyre brand x, with tread pattern x for the purpose it was designed for at the air pressures the tyre is required to have, doing that required job.

On road or Off road, loaded vehicle or unloaded vehicle.

The pneumatic tyre was first conceived in 1845 by Robert Thomson, the pneumatic tyre principal was refined by John Boyd Dunlop in the late 1800's
so I guess these two Scotsmen started this thread debate, to a degree.

Now to your question Boss, "what's the go with curing the tyres in the shed"

All tyres (tires) are manufactured ~ Green ~ using a large amount of chemicals mixed into raw and synthetic materials bought together in the manufacturing process under extreme pressure and heat, the curing process is achieved to a certain degree in the mold. The word "Green" is the first stage of a tyre build.

Tyre compound materials include: Carbon Black, Sulphur,Latex and anything up to 16 different kinds of rubber, this is all in the making of a tyre, heat and pressure are achieved using steam at some 300*C. "The curing stage" in the mold is measured in minutes, possibly an hour maybe longer.

To me this is the overriding factor : Quote : Sulphur and other chemicals are also used in tires. Specific chemicals, when mixed with rubber and then heated, produce specific tire characteristics such as high friction (but low mileage) for racing or high mileage (but low friction) for a passenger car tire.
Some chemicals keep the rubber flexible while it is being shaped into a tire and other chemicals protect the rubber from the ultraviolet radiation in sunshine : End quote :

Most tyres (tires) are produced in Asia/China for the world market and there are more than 250 million tyres manufactured each year.

Yes America does produce millions of tires (tyres), but American tire companies also have "Brand" name tires (tyres) manufactured in overseas countries too, by the ship load or is that sh-t load ?

The tyres (tires) may well have been manufactured in Asia/China or India, last week, they might carry a "Brand" name, but they might be on your vehicle today. The Toyota Hilux range of vehicles is Japanese designed but built in Thailand as is another "Brand" name vehicle sold in Australia today,as Japanese vehicles !!

I will stand corrected on some of the material in my follow up answer, because this material on chemicals, heat, pressure and time in the manufacturing was gleaned from the internet. I am not a tire (tyre) engineer, I am like you an end user of a product of my choice used at my discretion, rightly or wrongly ~ but it works for me.
As a final word on my tyre choice(s) : The Mickey Thompson MTZ tyre that had carcase seperation, was bought to the tyre sellers attention, the tyre seller happens to be in Perth and their expert conclusion after consultation with the manufacturers representative (aparently) was that the tyre was running under inflated over a period of time, I told them they were talking out of their arse, because I had been using the "Smart Tire" electronic monitoring system in all tyres from day one of the MTZ's going into the rims, the "Smart Tire" units were an internal sensor, with a hard wired in cab display and they were accurate to the point of annoyance.

The silence was deafening ~ but I could hear the bugger breathing.

Sadly the "Smart Tire" system seems to be off the market now.

I now use the "Tyredog" TDX2200A-X system, the sensors are external, so I can use them on either of the sets of tryes that I use at the time.

Bridgestone Desert Dueler A/T 694 on road.
BF Goodrich MT/KM2's off road

Mickey Thompson MTZ x 3, on the trailer used for the tip run "I don't trust them" for anything else.

Cheers ;0)

Deano,

you're not Thrifty out at Wedgefield are you?

Mick

no mate, McLaren

no mate, McLaren

no mate, McLaren

you kind of lost me a little with the curing thing Joe.
I understand they are in the mold for only an hour or so but do they stop curing after they come out and then start again when they are in your shed? How do you get them to start curing again?

you kind of lost me a little with the curing thing Joe.
I understand they are in the mold for only an hour or so but do they stop curing after they come out and then start again when they are in your shed? How do you get them to start curing again?

They have problems too.
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"There is a deal running with Yoko that they will replace your tyres if you get a blow out, puncutre or staked sidewall "

please tell me its not like that Cooper load of bollocks of "only if you live in a capital city"

I do have Yokohama Geolander AT-S on the 100 series TD [won at a rodeo Raffle, nice] they are going well.