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You're spot on with that one. I hate those stupid TT and ACA programs, they feed on (and to) people's stupidity.

Now this was a serious OP. You believe your statement do you or was it an attempt at a Friday Funny?

Hiya Mfewster
It must be Friday...
Could you run that past me again ??

Hello Signman. You really believe that what comes out of Power station stacks is just water vapour?

Doh...I ain't that stoopid..most of the TV footage shown of the so called carbon dioxide output of power stations...is in fact footage taken of the nuclear power plants in France ...namely Saint Laurent and Cattenom (sp??)
The reason they use that footage is that it does look dramatic and effective with volumous clouds of water vapour being expelled...

Like this one Signman?
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Note also the time of day the picture is taken so that the white steam looks dark, dirty and sinister...

I guess it is relevant since water vapour has a significantly greater impact on 'greenhouse effect' than CO2.

Signman, that's fair comment and I accept the point you were making in reference to the way news orgainizations operate. One of my points of difference with the Greens is that they won't accept nuclear power and of course ther is almost no cO2 emission from nuclear plants.
No Timbo, water vapour does not have a significantly greater impact on "greenhouse effect" than C02. The amount of water vapour the atmosphere can hold is a function of and directly proportional to the temperature of the air, assuming there is a body of water to supply the water in the first place.
I don't want to highjack Robin's original post further so I don't intend continuing this discussion here. But if you want to follow this up yourself, it was a central point (myth, one of many) claimed by Ian Plimer in his book "Heaven and Earth and since much repeated. It doesn't take much follow up on the internet to find his own universities Climate Dept's demolition of this argument.

MFewster,

Can you expoain to me what else comes out of the steam stacks as i also believe it is steam.
If they ever do show the exhaust of a power station it is nearly always just a heat haze and not much smoke.
Not as spectaculair.
Until you can show me differently I consider your statement the same as the greens have used in my area when pushing for national parks and accuse the current timber industry of cutting down trees that are thousands of years old.
They stand next to these large stumps and get their photo taken even though the stumps have been cut down many many years ago.

Honky

Mfewster

I think the point signman is trying to make is that the media , to hype up a story, use images that have little or nothing to do with the issue they are reporting on.

Agreed Rob, and I was trying to show that I accepted that that was what he had meant when I wrote follow up 6.

Honky however just doesn't get it. What comes out nuclear stacks is mainly steam from the cooling process in nuclear reactors. What comes out the stacks at coal fired generators is very different. Lots of Co2 (which you don't see as it is an invisible gas. But it is what Carbon Fenestration is all about. And if you don't know what this is Honky, check it out. It is what both Howard and Rudd want us to spend billions on in the desperate hope that they can catch and bury the CO2 from coal generators and therefore keep selling lots of Australian coal. Most scientists don't think it is possible, but there is some difference of opinion on this. The other stuff that goes out the stacks in coal fired generators, and that you can see, is also nasty, but just what it is depends on the coal being burnt. Any time anything is burnt Honky, you get Co2. Nothing is burnt in the nuclear process.
Re.the stumps Honky, they are reminding you of what our forests once were like. We need to preserve as much old growth forest as possible, there is very little of it left.

Sorry, Follow up 9 post. that should have been Carbon sequestration. Fenestration is not the same thing.

Hi Rockape

That was more my angle in putting up the post - I was thinking of the troppy rollover off a sand dune which was all over the news and this site september last.

I went thru all the searches/stories I could think of before I finally came up with what I had heard - > that it was not actually the police that found him but another 4wdriver.

Hi Landy

Some of those are valid questions Landy , however none of that angle was even hinted at in the show.

I would love see how ACA can get out of what seems balant mistruths, espically if ch7 picks up on it which they usually do.


Perhaps they will divert to this angle to deflect the backlash which is apparently already occurring , on the other hand they might just admit to a complete stuff up - but then I could be dreaming.

G'day Robin

Maybee "MEDIA WATCH" will hear about it too


Steve

I wonder what sort of hatchet job Nine will do to the Top Gear show now it has bought the rights?
I think I'll be recording it and fast forwarding the ads.......will only take about 25 mins to watch now.

I also hope the road safety expert who was viewing the tape with horror will ask channel nine about the validity of anything else they bring his way to comment on.The crikey report only makes him look like an un-informed idiot.

ACA only has to go to any industrial estate after hours to see all the drifters and burnout kings doing their thing. They dont need to plagiarise other peoples original work, no matter how controversial/sensational it is.

Totally agree Landy, especially when it shows the driver roaring through what looks like a suburban street - even if you could block off a section of road with a mate's car at each end (assuming that's what they did), this isn't going to prevent someone pulling out of one of those driveways...

A few things made me laugh though while watching the, er, 'professionalism' of the ACA production...
1/ the footage from inside the car had the "ACA Exclusive" logo on it - inside job? Even if not, they must have had contact with someone involved in making the footage
2/ There is an assumption that the driver is 'young' - statistically it seems likely, but it's not certain
3/ the 'so called' road safety expert is so expert that not even his name, credentials, nor the road safety organisation he represents can be provided - he looks like he was just anyone ask to make angry comments in what looks like it could even be the ACA editting room!
4/ the rent-an-irate-ranter exhibited symptoms of simply being angry for the sake of being angry, usually beyond the level warranted in the situation ie. he was so over-angry he forgot to make sense in what he said: "They should throw away the keys and lock him up!". Er, excuse me, shouldn't you lock someone up and THEN throw away the keys?!
5/ This is best one: even though the Police/RTA are unable to track down the driver from the registration number, ACA is going to track down the driver, presumably interview him/her and record and edit another 'exclusive' report, all in less than 24 hours ready for tomorrow night's program!

I haven't watched any of those programs ACA, TT, 4Corners, etc. for a long time after seeing the way they concoct stories from people with nothing better to do, whinging about non-events. Maybe someone from here can get them to make a story about forum moderation: "They took my $30 and then they deleted my reply from their site" :-)

Lionel,

I was in one of fortunate situations when CH 7 and Ch9 had the footage of the same hoon. I could catch both show as the time was nearly in sync.


Ch9 was showing the Hoon who was auditioning to be "Stig" for th Australian Top Gear, the hoon did not get the job.
Meanwhile Ch7 were saying that Top Gear creates hoons, and "Expert" whatching Clarkson on their test track, said that this sort of thing on the road encourages hoons and that Top Gear was the main culprit !!!!!

Never been in the Bathhurst area (or any motor race) after the race and watched the boy smoke it up????

Now it just so happens that Ch9 will be televising Top Gear...

Absoultely nothing said when it was on SBS or after the Top Gear show last year....

Gotta love gutter press.

You reckon it's a plug for the Aussie Top Gear then, Tony?!

Timbo,

I think Ch9 where trying to do a Hoon story that just happened to be about a guy who auditioned for the Aussie Stig role. They wer not being nice to the guy.

Ch7 jumped on it and whent the whole hog against Top Gear..

And it just so happend that the UK Top Gear will be shown on Ch9 in the next couple of weeks....

As I said this video has been around for 2 years (2008)

This was never raised when Top Gear wason SBS.... only now its on Ch9

YouTube Aussie TopGear Auditions (click here)