Eco Hot Water Kit

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Hi all,

I am looking for a potable hot water system to use in remote camping situations, allowing hot water showers for up to 8 people a night. Currently using a Coleman Hot Water System which works ok but will need some modifications if I am going to keep using it.

I cam across this unit, the Eco Hot Water Kit through the Kimberely Kamper website. It's a portable diesel fired water heater that appears pretty robust but it's not cheap at $3000. Anyone heard of these or had any experince with them, good or bad?

http://www.eco-camper.com/component/virtuemart/category/27/hot-water-in-caravan/camper.html

Improvements I will need to make to the coleman include;

- Do away with intenal rechargeable battery and direct wire to something like a Thumper.
- Plumb water line to a 200L tank rather than using the 20L internal bladder and having to refill this all the time - big pain.
- Install inline pump to pickup the water and pump it through the system.
- Attach gas bottle rather than using the little disposable cylinders.

Cheers.
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Reply By: Gazal Champion - Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 12:46

Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 12:46
Hi Willy
I purchased a porta gas water heater a couple of years ago to use on a camp shower and found it a terrific idea.
I bought it from AusJay Imports at a caravan show in Wauchope near Port Macquarie and have seen similar on Ebay many times.
They look like a small over sink type heater but can be just hooked up onto a post as I do. Coupled up with one of those shower pumps you put into a bucket and they are brilliant. Unlimited hot water, so long as you have plenty of water and you can even have a hot shower in times of a total fire ban.
Check out the internet and do a search on this site for more info.
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Follow Up By: Shaker - Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 12:49

Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 12:49
If it is gas fired you can't use it during a TFB.

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Reply By: Shaker - Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 12:48

Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 12:48
Coleman is 6 volt, might make it hard to use a Thumper
Coleman make an adaptor to run off an external gas bottle.
Coleman also have an outside supply pressure water adaptor, or you can just drop the existing pump into a bucket.

Personally I like it's portabilty & self sufficiency, other than the "bladder", we always use a bucket, we also have a MacCoupler to refill the disposable gas bottles.
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Follow Up By: briann532 - Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 20:00

Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 20:00
Shaker,

I think the maccouplers are illegal to use in Oz.
Perhaps a person who knows for sure can either back me or correct me.

thanks
Brian
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Follow Up By: WillyWish - Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 23:21

Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 23:21
Righteo didnt know that the Coleman ran off 6 volts, that makes things a little more difficult. The charging bit really is something I need to get around if a modified coleman will work for me. Will keep looking at the options....
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Follow Up By: Honky - Monday, Feb 08, 2010 at 09:45

Monday, Feb 08, 2010 at 09:45
A Trojan 6 volt 105 amp deep cycle battery should do the trick.

Honky
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Reply By: Big Woody - Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 18:16

Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 18:16
By the time you make all of those mods you might as well by one of these:
Aussie Camp Showers

I have been using one of these for the last few years hooked up exactly the way you are planning. Running the in-line pump from a large water source and connected to a large gas bottle. I have a small gel cell battery that I charge up every 6 months for powering the pump. Lasts for several camps but I have also made an adaptor for the plug to connect alligator clips to the car battery if I run low.

Very efficient - 1kg gas bottle will last about 300 showers. We have used it to shower dozens of people per day.

Good luck with your decision.

BW
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Follow Up By: WillyWish - Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 23:24

Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 23:24
Yeah looked at these a bit. I havent seen one in real life yet, but I'm concerned about a) the stability, b) setup inside a shower tent, c) safety, and d) ease of use. Are you able to let me know how you operate it? Cheers.
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Follow Up By: Big Woody - Monday, Feb 08, 2010 at 22:25

Monday, Feb 08, 2010 at 22:25
To answer your questions:
a) It is quite a stable unit with 3 fold out legs that have large pads on them. Mine gets treated pretty rough and it has never come close to falling over

b) I use mine inside a shower tent and it is a very efficient heat exchange unit with all of the heat going into the water. The gas temp is controlled by the burner which really only heats the water to about 20 degrees above the temp of the water going in. That means that even if the water in is at 25 degrees, the shower will be at 45 degrees which is about as hot a shower as you can have without burning. Because it can't get too hot it is quite safe for children.

c) The surface temperatures of the unit do not get hot and the is no flame outside of the pipe. As with all gas appliances I imagine they would have gone through all manner of testing before being given an approval number.

d) The Aussie Camp Shower is about the same as lighting a gas stove which you would normally not allow a child under about 12 to do. I have found some women not comfortable with lighting the gas and have asked for me to light it for them.
I agree that the coleman units are more simple to operate especially by a younger child. They can be arduous to set up though.

I have the battery, pump, hoses and gas pipe all packed in a small plastic fishing box. I set up the base and clip in the shower rose section. The gas hose has a small 90 degree burner which is an off the shelf fitting from most gas appliance shops. The burner is screwed into the bottom of the unit with the other end connected to the gas bottle. I then connect the hose with inline pump to the water source and hang the inline switch on the base of the shower rose fitting which is about waiste height.
This sounds fiddly but generally takes me about 1 minute from standing the base on the ground to being able to start the shower.
To operate all I do is turn the gas tap on at the base of the unit and light the burner, stand up and flick the switch and there is instant hot water at a rate of about 3-4 litres per minute. The temperature is varied by turning the gas burner up or down.

If camped near a creek I fill a 20 litre water container and sit it on a milk crate as the water supply. When conserving water we usually get 3 x 2.5 minute showers out of one drum or 2 x 3.5 minute showers.

The main advantage in my mind of this unit is that it is not only robust for years of outback travel and abuse, but the only part that could wear out is a standard gas hose and fitting that can be purchased anywhere. I will never be in the position where I am sending it away to someone and it costs me a fortune in repairs.
It also gives many easy options for both electricity and water suppies. By this I mean I can pump out of tanks or creeks, or even gravity feed the water and I can hook up to a veriety of small battery and car battery options.

I hope this helps.

BW
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Reply By: briann532 - Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 19:58

Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 19:58
I bought one of these:
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Mercury-Stainless-Steel-6L-Instant-Gas-Hot-Water-Heater_W0QQitemZ230432182181QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Home_Appliances?hash=item35a6d40fa5

added a 12 volt pump and put it in a steel box on the drawbar. Plumbed into the gas bottle, all i do is put one hose in the cold water and the other pumps out hot at the selected temperature.
I have a 2 way tap so I can draw through a hose or suck from the tank.

For a total cost of less than $400.00 its absolutely brilliant.

Cheers
Brian
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Follow Up By: WillyWish - Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 23:18

Sunday, Feb 07, 2010 at 23:18
Hey Brian,

Thanks for your reply. Can you explain a bit more about the pump you use and exactly how the unit operates please. I have to set this up so it's fool proof.

Cheers mate.

Will.
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Follow Up By: briann532 - Monday, Feb 08, 2010 at 06:24

Monday, Feb 08, 2010 at 06:24
I use a "sureflow"" pump.
I plumbed in into the inlet of the hot water tank.

I wired aswitch from the battery to the pump. With this style of water heater, all you do is put water through it and it automatically ignites.

In other words all I do is turn the tap to select whether I draw water from my tank or from a bucket. Flick the switch, water flows through the heater, it ignites and pumps out hot water.

It is totally foolproof and very robust. I have however rubber mounted everything and have the whole thing installed in a purpose built steel box.

I will post some photos of it on "my swag".
If you want any more info or photos my email is bandj"at"ihug.com.au

cheers
Brian
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Follow Up By: Nutta - Monday, Feb 08, 2010 at 10:05

Monday, Feb 08, 2010 at 10:05
I've got one of these setup in the back yard, fantastic!
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Follow Up By: WillyWish - Tuesday, Feb 09, 2010 at 00:57

Tuesday, Feb 09, 2010 at 00:57
Hi again Brian, this sounds the goods. Which Shurflow pump do you use? I'll email you for some photos if you dont mind. Thanks so much for your help.
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Reply By: Rogue Camper - Tuesday, Mar 09, 2010 at 13:24

Tuesday, Mar 09, 2010 at 13:24
I have tried 3 different types of LPG gas showers and by far and away the most impressive is the one sold on Ebay by wizardst69. I have had it running on a trip now for 6 months around Australia and it has not missed a beat. It was also cheaper than the rest but amazingly it was by far the beat quality. My wife is now really happy showering and having hot water at the ready. The old story happy wife , happy life. The link for these water heaters is http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350325796757&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

I tell you this, you won't go wrong with this unit !
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Reply By: Rogue Camper - Tuesday, Mar 09, 2010 at 13:25

Tuesday, Mar 09, 2010 at 13:25
I have tried 3 different types of LPG gas showers and by far and away the most impressive is the one sold on Ebay by wizardst69. I have had it running on a trip now for 6 months around Australia and it has not missed a beat. It was also cheaper than the rest but amazingly it was by far the beat quality. My wife is now really happy showering and having hot water at the ready. The old story happy wife , happy life. The link for these water heaters is http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=350325796757&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT

I tell you this, you won't go wrong with this unit !
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