Frontera and ethanol

Tony , Basicly crap fuel wont be using it in any of my outboards or vehicles. there is talk about droping ordinary ULP & only suplying Premium ULP. Daryl

Been running E10 on occasions through 2003 Nissan Xtrail engine with no ill effects or loss of power or increase in consumption. But most of the running is long distance with limited stop start driving.Dunno if that could be a factor.

Sorry, not sure if the Frontera got the 3.5 motor, maybe only the 3.2.....oldbaz.

"They have been using Ethanol in Sth America for years"
In vehicles specially built for it I believe.
Stainless steel fuel lines etc.

and how long does a V8 Supercar run before getting refurbished... bad example that one I'm afraid!

HGMonaro
And how long did petrol powered V8 Supercars run before getting refurbished,
probably around the same ,

Lex
as you say.... you believe, not what you know but only what you believe.

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I don't "know" anything I read on the net, but I sometimes believe it.

a couple of quotes from http://nrmafree2go.com.au/cps/rde/xchg/mynrma/hs.xsl/Fuels_of_the_Future.htm

"Holden has exported ethanol compatible Commodores to Brazil since 2000. The current model, called the Chevrolet Omega in Brazil, is capable of running on E25."

"That's why we can only buy E10 in Australia at present. We can have more ethanol any time we like, but our service station infrastructure, and our cars, will first have to be modified with stainless steel and other corrosion resistant components to store, deliver and run on higher grades than E10."

Spend a few minutes on google, you'll find more references.

lex
your report comes from NRMA, I copied this from RAA, these are to be taken with a grain of salt, you only have to look at their maps, and see the out dated road reports, I find that ones own experiences and trials are the best, but this below is what the RAA believes.

Most metal components in fuel systems will corrode or rust in the presence of water. Ethanol increases petrol's ability to absorb water without separating and Ethanol blended petrol can therefore ‘hold’ more water and carry this through the engine. The greater the concentration of ethanol the greater the ability to ‘hold’ water.
Several studies have examined the effect of E10 on fuel tanks and fuel system components and have concluded that ethanol up to 10% does not increase corrosion in normal, everyday operation.
Ethanol blends may have a deteriorating effect on the rubber components of an engine. Other additives, such as benzene may also have an effect.
In older models, deposits in fuel tanks and fuel lines are occasionally loosened by E10, and the fuel filter may become plugged. This is remedied by a fuel filter change.
If very Ethanol rich fuel is used this may cause an engine to stall.
Laboratory tests have shown that blends of 20% pure Ethanol in petrol can damage some conventional automotive paint.


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Doug, still irrelavant... anyone rebuiling their engines regularly won't care what juice gets put through it wear wise. They'll replace anything that might wear anyway.

If E10 or whatever didn't have some issues, why would there even be a discussion about whether such'n'such car can run on it or not. Maybe you turn your cars over ever 2-3 years and don't care what happens to them long term, some people have to hang on to them for many years and these issues will rear their ugly heads then, not after a tank or 2. Same thing as when they stopped making leaded, sure my Chev will run on it, but long term it's going to wear it out sooner.

HGMonaro
I can see this discussion is going nowhere, is not going to achieve anything, you have your mind made up and thats it, as for changing a car every 3 or 4 years .... I wish I wish, my 4x4 is 16 years old, I have had it the last 9.

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"environmentally, friendly fuel source "

lost me right there!

absalutly nothing environmentally freindly about wholesale land clearing for monoculture

id have to assume none of the rest of those "facts" are true either then