Landcruiser / Pajero Size comparison

Submitted: Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 17:55
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Many questions on the forum relate to "which tow vehicle to buy".

This morning while sight seeing, I returned to the carpark to see a Pajero parked next to me. I recognised that it was towing a caravan, in the caravan park where I am staying.

The difference in size surprised me. I had not see both vehicles parked side by side before.

I though this picture might be of assistance to someone making a vehcile comparison, with view to a two vehicle. Not demeaning one or the other and it certainly depends ofwhat you are towing.Image Could Not Be Found
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Reply By: Isuzumu - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 18:15

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 18:15
I suppose there is a few ways to compare them....but at " nearly" half the price it is not half the size hahahahaha
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Reply By: Notso - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 18:26

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 18:26
Yeah, I guess the thing that really amazes me is that the Landcruiser has a total payload of around 600 kilos, around about the same as the Paj?

Not easy to understand why such a huge beast only has that much payload.


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Reply By: rosso1234 - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 18:52

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 18:52
LC 200

Overall Length (mm) 4950
Overall Width (mm) 1970
Overall Height (mm) 1910
Wheel Base (mm) 2850
Ground Clearance (mm) 225
Front Track (mm) 1640
Rear Track (mm) 1635
Kerb Weight (kg) 2720
Gross Vehicle Weight (kg) 3300
No of Doors 5



Pajero

Overall Length (mm) 4755
Overall Width (mm) 1775
Overall Height (mm) 1900
Wheel Base (mm) 2725
Ground Clearance (mm) 205
Front Track (mm) 1465
Rear Track (mm) 1480
Kerb Weight (kg) 2155
Gross Vehicle Weight (kg) 2800
No of Doors 5

In standard form, the Pajero is smaller lighter and can carry more!
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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 08:31

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 08:31
The tare weight of 2720kg for the LC200 refers to the most up specced Sahara. The GXL has a tare of 2630kg, a GVM of 3300kg, leaving a payload of 670kg.
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Follow Up By: rosso1234 - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 09:02

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 09:02
wow, an extra 90kg..........Hey 'Bob' you can come fishing now... Hang on, how much do you weigh again Bob? lol

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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:16

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:16
And by the way, all but the Sahara have a better payload than the venerable Patrol but nobody seems to mention that despite the fact it has been thus since the introduction of the GU. That is, the payload is 590kg....!!!

And another thing, if you are seriously going to use it for more adventurous pursuits, a OME suspension upgrade can give a GVM of 3580kg or a total payload of between 800-900kg for a cost of around $1600.
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Reply By: Ozhumvee - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 19:34

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 19:34
The 200 series is probably over gvm with the van on the back too.
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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:17

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:17
At least it can tow a van....
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Reply By: Best Off Road - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 19:49

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 19:49
Carl,

You'd be surprised to find that the, all important, cargo area in the the Paj is is only very marginally less than the 200.

Regards,

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 20:18

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 20:18
Jim I realise you are intimately connected with the rear cargo areas of vehicles but I am not sure how you come to that conclusion. I went from a Pajero to a 200 and I can assure you thre is at least 60l more storage in the rear even with the rear seats in the 200 right back. With then all the way forward ( still providing more leg room that the Pajero) there is about 130 -150l more by my calculations. There is a big difference in what I can carry in the back.
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Follow Up By: MrBitchi (QLD) - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 20:19

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 20:19
And it has more leg room.. ;-))
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 20:40

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 20:40
Boo,

The litre measurement that vehicle manufacturers use is a misnomer. They talk about some mythical literage (is that a word?) of the entire area.

I talk in practical, useable area.

For a car the size and weight of the 200 it has a bleep poor cargo area. It has less than the 100 which, in turn, had less than the 80. Similarly with Nissan the GU has less than the GQ.

Mitsubishi, on the other hand, has increased cargo space with each model.

Cheers,

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Crackles - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 21:08

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 21:08
Have to disagree Jim with your assesment that an 80 has more usable space than a 100 series. I took my 80 series storage out & it fitted into the 100. Floor space was impeded slightly by the plastic moulding over the wheel archs but otherwise there is far more volume to pack soft bags etc. The increase in volume is obvious just comparing the width of the centre consoles. Practical usable area in a 4x4 is not just calculated by how many square box's you can fit in although in your line of work can appreciate how you measure cars up :-)
Cheers Craig................
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Follow Up By: Wilko - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 21:12

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 21:12
Hi all,

I wouldnt say the Pajero is bleased with a lot of cargo space I'm hoping work sells mine and hopefully get a dual cab.

Now that is cargo space. A nice lockable aluminium canopy on a t/top.

If the pajero has more then the 200 series I'd be suprised But I guess wagons arent designed for having a lot of space.

Cheers Wilko
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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 21:35

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 21:35
Jim, I aren't talking about manufacturers specs. I agree with you that they mean nothing. I mean the size of the boxes and tent etc that used to be on the roof rack and are now in the back. in fact I will go as far as to say it would be more than 60 l extra with the seat right back having just looked at it all in the garage. Say 100 to 180 l extra OF MY STUFF.
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Follow Up By: Off-track - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 22:35

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 22:35
I can tell you as a fact that the 100 has more cargo area than the 80.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 00:42

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 00:42
When we were looking for a car to buy we wanted something that we could sleep in when it was wet instead of getting wet putting a tent up. Try lying down in the back of a Pajero with all the rear seats taken out. I am 5' 10" and my feet would be out the back. Now try the Landcruiser. I have about six inches to spare. The Patrol was just a smidgin narrower. So the Toyata it was. Whats six inches in litres?? I fit nicely.

About the load carrying I would have though a suspension upgrade would be done as a matter of course and a lift as well while you are at it.

Whats more important is the specified towing capability. I would be surprised if the Paj was as much as the Toyota.

Besides the fact the initial post mentioned the thread was set up for a TOW vehicle comparison not a Landcruiser to Pajero inside volume comparison.

We got a Toyota 100 series by the way. Sorry mate but I wouldn't buy a 200 as I like to drive the car. With the 200 you could lie down in the back and use the remote!

Phil
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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 08:46

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 08:46
Jim,

I have to totally disagree that the 100 has more usable space than the 200.

I have my OzTent RV3 on the flat floor I have now created and the tent, at 2m long, fits behind the centre glove box. It has to sit ON the glove box in the 100 and the 80 and goes between the seats protruding around 150mm. The 200 has almost 200mm greater cabin length due to the shorter bonnet which, in course, is due to the V8 engine being shorter.

The 200 is also higher and wider, not by much but wider, so how is the 100 bigger in usable space. Are the wheel arches bigger?? Or are you referring to the fact that the rearmost seats take up more space?? You are in the business of building drawers for them so not sure how you are measuring the vehicles, before or after taking out seats however, when you take out the rear and possibly the middle row seats, as I have, I would guess that I have at least 20% more space than the 100.
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Follow Up By: Best Off Road - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 09:04

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 09:04
Fellas,

Let me clarify. I said Cargo Area, that being the the space in the rear of the vehicle behind the middle row of seats ie that which was designed to to store your cargo.

That's all.

Cheers,

Jim.

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Follow Up By: Member - Boobook - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 09:40

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 09:40
That's what I talking about too. BIG difference.

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Follow Up By: Member - Don M (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:20

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:20
Thats a strange comment coming from someone who makes a living out of installing drawers. Who, if they intend using the vehicle for outback cruising leaves their rear seats in..., or even the second row.

If you take out the rear seats, there isn't another fourbie sold in OZ that has more cargo space.
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Follow Up By: vk1dx - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:42

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:42
Hi Don

In Jims defence.

We sometimes leave the first row (middle if you want) in the car if we take the grand kids with us. Then when we are on our own all extra seats come out and the bed extension goes back in. Only takes about 1/2 an hour to do the change.

The ones right at the back are packed up and covered for storage until we may use them if we sell the car.

I gather we are one of the strange ones.

Phil
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Follow Up By: MEMBER - Darian, SA - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:55

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:55
As an aside, re dimensions; I kept my home built rear carry-all shelving frame when I sold my Jackaroo - it's now in the rear of the 100 series GXL, but I had to cut it down to fit it in !
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Reply By: Bob of KAOS - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 21:20

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 21:20
Carl

The photo is a bit deceptive. The Paj is almost two meters further away from the camera. Yes its smaller, but the photo makes it look like a midget mobile.

BTW - nice numberplates- they'd be handy with the profusion of revenue cameras around.
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Follow Up By: rosso1234 - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 07:37

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 07:37
was shot to favour the LC, taken from the other side and it would not have LOOKED so different
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Reply By: Member - Andrew L (QLD) - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 21:44

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 21:44
No comparison..apart from the crook photo.... even spending time in an 80 series, then a 100/105 and you appreciate the space increase.

As for the 200 series and the Pajaro...hook a 2-3 tonne van on the back of each for a few months around the block and see which tug you queue up for each day...
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Follow Up By: Isuzumu - Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 22:03

Friday, Feb 12, 2010 at 22:03
And in the end it will all depend on how much you have to pay back to the bank each month.
It all comes back to being rich or not so rich doesn't?
Cheers Bruce
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Reply By: Member - Carl- Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 07:54

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 07:54
WOW..... I just wanted to show the difference in size. Not wanting to start a war with the Pajero community. My first post mentioned I was demeaning a Pajero.

Yes there are different vehicles but many Pajero owners seem uncomfortable with a comparison. A Pajero is smaller, has less towing capacity, not as good an engine and much less dealer network in outback areas. It also cost less as well.

Pajero was advertised as winner of the Paris to Dakah rally etc etc. If you put yourself out there, you must be able to stand a comparison. At the end of the day if I have one, a X5 or ML and break down outside Tennant Creek, how do I get it fixed.

At the end of the day you get what you pay for and this is true.
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Reply By: CJ - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:36

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 10:36
Carl,

I agree with you and would put the same argument from a slightly different perpective,

We are a family of 5. We used to go serious reote camping in our Jack (Sim size to Paj). It was a pain to pack up after each camp, simply because if you don't take your time and stick to your methodology you simply don't fit everything in. Also the kids wanted to take this and that with them but we often had to say no

Then got the 200. Same family, same gear, what a pleasure! Packing/unpacking in half the time, more space, extra space for taking kid's toys, more elbo space,etc.

Yes it cost more, and a little Suzuki cost less

CJ
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Reply By: Alloy c/t - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:18

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 11:18
For a real comparrison of size increases you would need to put a 80 series gxl next to a 200 series gxl , the former fits into my underhouse garage the latter does not.
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Reply By: chevypower - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 17:41

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 17:41
I drive a Ford F-series, used to drive a Silverado - and I think the same about Landcruisers, as Landcruiser owners think about Pajeros. Like, oh look at that little toy. But seriously, people should just buy whatever they like. If "bigger is better" then there is loads of stuff out there better than the Landcruiser. I also like being able to control what speed I go. :) OK, now bring out the ammo.
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Reply By: Member - Barnesy - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 17:49

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 17:49
Compare the Paj with a Prado. They are both mid sized 4wd's. The paj isn't trying to steal sales off of the 200 series, but it is trying to get Prado sales.
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Follow Up By: Member - Barnesy - Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 17:50

Saturday, Feb 13, 2010 at 17:50
My GQ is a fairly big car, but bloody hell it's small inside.
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