A Turbo,intercooled 2h diesel, How many killowatts to the back wheels ?

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Hi everyone,I 'm just about to pick up my brand new second hand 1986 turbo ,intercooled 2h cruiser,with 191000kms on the clock, how many pounds of boost do you recomend to run with an intercooler fitted ? I ask this because under the bonnet you can adjust the boost for better performance. And how many killowatts do they put out at the back wheels ?? Anyone with experience with these old cruisers, advice would be apprciated. I'm not expecting it to be a rocket ship just seeking advice... Thanks
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Reply By: Member - John - Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 20:19

Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 20:19
Bob, kilowatts at the rear wheels varies greatly, depends on the dyno, gear you are in, tyre size etc etc........... The dyno is really just a tuning tool or a means to determine if a modification has had a positive outcome, by comparison, but, the same dyno, tyres etc need to be used for anything meaningful to be obtained.
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Reply By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 21:04

Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 21:04
Is it a toyota turbo or after market. The toyota motor looks the same as the 2h but is called a 12h-t.

I owned a 12h-t 1986 landcruiser for years.


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Follow Up By: Bob the - Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 21:24

Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 21:24
Hi Serendipity, it's an aftermarket turbo with an intercooler... I was also wondering what sort of fuel consumtion I could expect on the highway, the cruiser has 33 s on it at the moment...
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Follow Up By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 22:02

Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 22:02
From everyone I have talked to for the last 20 years on adding a turbo to a standard 2h - be very careful. Then will overheat if you go over 100km. People have added extra fans, larger radiators, cooling vents. They will go fine with plenty of power but just not over about 100km.

The 12ht has extra oil jackets up and down the pistons, oversized crank and other parts to compensate for the turbo.

Your fuel economy will depend on how much drag is on your car - like roof racks, roobars, spotlights etc. Also how heavy your foot is.

I now have the latest V8 ute with a supposed 11.5 litres per 100km. True if all factors are perfect but who can resist putting the foot down so you can get into the traffic at a busy intersection. Same with your cruiser - lots more power than a standard diesel.

With my old 12h-t it would get unloaded 18 l per 100km (at best) and loaded 25+ per 100km. I had a lot of roof rack, roobar, spotlights etc. Also not much patience when travelling long distances so tended to push it a bit hard and pay the extra fuel. I would rather the extra dollars than an extra 3 or 4 hours on the road.


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Follow Up By: Bob the - Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 23:15

Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 23:15
Hello again Serendipity,thanks for your detailed reply, I too have sometimes been known to push along a bit faster and harder to save a couple of hours on a long trip. Well it seems an EGT gauge, and a run on the dyno is on the cards, I guess I would have liked to pick up 12ht cruiser, but there are not many manuals around, they all seem to be autos.. Which I've heard are a bit slow on take off. Anyway thanks again.
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Follow Up By: Member - Serendipity(WA) - Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 23:27

Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 23:27
Hi Bob

I purchased the 12h-t from a Jap import that was at a wreckers. They where looking at either selling as a whole car or wrecking for parts. Car was in mint condition.

I put the motor in my work ute that was already a manual.

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Follow Up By: furph - Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 09:09

Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 09:09
As the commnets made.
I also had a 2H with ARB turbo. Over about 5yrs had overheating probs when under constant high load. The fellow I sold it to cracked the head within 6 months.
I think the question mark is that ARB set it up with 9psi boost. The 12HT is factory set at 7-8psi, quite a difference for a motor which overall is built much stronger.
I think the 12HT was rated at 112kw., 2H standard at 72kw. so asking for more than ~95kw may be the problem with the overheating issues (figures at the crankshaft)
However, good luck with your project.
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Reply By: Member - Alan John C (WA) - Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 21:33

Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 21:33
Hi Bob,
I have just gone through all this with my 1HZ cruiser and I can only suggest that you go and get an exhaust gas gauge fitted as this will determine the safe level of boost and then once that is done put it on Dyno and have fuel air mixture set as all questions you ask are really e relevant unless this is done first regards Alan.

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Reply By: Madfisher - Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 21:38

Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 21:38
If its an after market 2h turbo, I would be very very wary of running anymore then 8lb boost. They where not designed for turbos like the 12ht.
I think you would end up with holed pistons.
Get an egt gauge soi you can monitor your exhaust temps, this is vital for long engine life.
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Reply By: Davo_60 - Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 22:01

Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 22:01
Hey Bob,

Had a 2h turbo automatic, I was getting between 12.5 - 14 L/100km on the highway depending on speed. Averaged about 20L/100km across the Simpson. Under bonnet heat seems to be a drama with them, I removed all of the sealing rubbers under the bonnet and in the wheel arches and this seemed to help keep things under control allowing heat to escape. I had an Aussie Desert Cooler etc etc but it still struggled when working hard up north, ok in winter though.

Mine ran 8-9 psi boost (no intercooler), with intercooler some run around 12psi. An EGT gauge is essential to keep an eye on temps. Higher boost will lower EGT's (for the same fuel) provided that the boost is within the efficiency range of the turbo, inlet and exhaust restrictions. Past a certain point they start generating excessive heat again. Fuel can be matched to the optimum boost, however I wouldn't think much over 12psi is sustainable. They are good around town, on sand dunes or anywhere short bursts of power are needed, but I found that they don't like to work hard past a couple of minutes - such as towing heavy loads.

They are pretty strong, and if it blows then there are plenty of second hand engines to bolt in, or just get a 12h-t which are much better in every respect.

Good luck
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Follow Up By: Bob the - Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 23:20

Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 23:20
hi Davo 60,thanks for your reply,it semms an EGT gauge and dyno tune are on the cards...
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Follow Up By: Bob the - Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 23:39

Thursday, Feb 18, 2010 at 23:39
Hi again Davo , the intercooler is a front mounted water cooled one...
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Reply By: Rockape - Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 09:00

Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 09:00
Bob,
no matter what I did with mine I couldn't keep it cool. Tried everything, some of the 2H's seem to turbo and others don't, just like playing Russian Roulette.

Turbo wise, 12 HT engines one the other hand are a very good engine.

Have a good one
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Follow Up By:- Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 15:43

Friday, Feb 19, 2010 at 15:43
Have to agree about the 12ht factory-fitted turbo had since new (1989 GXL).
Mine has about 375,000 and still has go.
Replaced most of the other gear, like water pump, radiator, overhauled turbo, injectors done, diff "re-bearinged", brake master cyl, but motor is virtually as new and always reliable. Just oil & air filters, etc.
Now have no further need for it......too small inside.
Hate to think about parting with it, but can't be too sentimental.
Has done the work like REAL horses....
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