Permits Permits Permits
Submitted: Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 00:04
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Member - Wayne B (NSW)
Gees I am new to the outback travel planning and I am stunned by the number or different permits I have to have. I need a secretory just to arrange the paperwork.
There has got to be an easier of getting all these permits for camping and entry in to different areas. That Desert Parks Pass is hexy do I need that to do the
Oodnadatta Track and then up to
Yulara and
the Rock.
Cheers
Wayne B
Reply By: Member - Stephen L (Clare SA) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 08:25
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 08:25
Hi Wayne
Firstly the
places that you have outlined require no permits, with the exception if you want to visit
Wabma Kadarbu Mound Springs Conservation Park, which
the Desert Parks Pass covers. If you thought that you were having problems with the easy
places, just wait until you venture into very remote
places, that is when the fun starts when applying for permits, that is if you get them granted. My remote trips are planned
well over 12 months in advance and I usually start applying for the various permits at least 6 months before heading off. If you are coming in from NSW, make sure you drop into the Flinders on the way up to
Marree before starting the
Oodnadatta Track
Cheers
Stephen
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Reply By: DIO - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 09:59
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 09:59
Nothing new about Permits. You should already be familiar with them if: you go fishing (in some States), own a dog, drive and or own a car,caravan, trailer, drive or own a boat (powered), park your car at a meter or ticketed area, drop rubbish off at the council depot (some areas), ride a bus, tram, ferry or train, go to the movies, own a firearm, go hunting (some areas), travel on a toll-way, enter a national park, go to the zoo, swim in the public
pool (baths), if you area Primary Producer, a Horticulturalist, bee keeper, live stock carrier, etc there are literally hundreds of different types of permits (some call them fees, tickets etc) yet they are all related to the provision of access or use of. Having a permit system for access to land owned by the 'traditional owners' is nothing new. It provides controlling bodies with the means to know who is travelling in/through their lands, over what periond, how many vehicles/people etc. Nothing different to the permit issued when you enter a National Park for the day, a week or whatever. Enjoy your trip.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:50
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 10:50
Enjoy your trip ... pffttttttt
Its like being on one of those el cheapo bus tours ...
Be here by a certain date,
Be gone by a certain date,
Be there by a certain date,
Be gone by a certain date,
It may be a "trip" .... but its certainly no Holiday.
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Follow Up By: pop2jocem - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 17:54
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 17:54
Dio, I think all the "services" you list do come at a cost and the requirement to obtain a permit, license, ticket whatever is in place but how many of these take up to 12 months to obtain and are granted or not in a lot of cases by a body with little connection to the area you are seeking permission to visit. I have no objection to asking someones permission to visit an area that they own, and from what I have seen and been told most times that permission is granted. I think the objection most people have is the time frame and the convoluted process involved.
Cheers Pop
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Follow Up By: 2000 Red Rodeo - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 20:35
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 20:35
Now that's what I call a free country........ LOL
I don't mind permits for outback travel as long as the money gets to where it is needed.
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Reply By: Motherhen - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 17:08
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 17:08
Wayne, the 'simple' through transit permits for roads such as the
Great Central Road can be applied for on line, and received by return email within 24 hours. They can be done by fax when you get nearer as time frames are often unknown.
For example, we planned to go from Uluru through to WA. The permit for the NT section could be done on line but i did it from the CLC office in
Alice Springs. The maximum they allowed was for one or two days travel within a specified three week period. We still didn't get there so went back and did another application for the next three weeks. However the WA side allowed a much shorter time frame for flexibility, so i picked up the application forms from the Ngaanyatjarraku office in
Alice Springs and when at
Yulara, got them to fax (cost me about $1) the application form during week day office hours, and the permit was faxed back within 24 hours.
If you click on the hyperlinks words 'permits' in your post, there is plenty of advice on how to apply here on ExplorOz.
Motherhen
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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 20:43
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 20:43
It is a total joke here in Australia.
I travelled all over the US (49 states) and also all over Europe
and guess what ? no permits required to go anywhere...
I just do not accept any of this permit business, which creates
income which is turned into more booze for some.
have fun
gmd
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Follow Up By: Member - Wayne B (NSW) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:18
Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:18
Thanks everyone for your comments.
I do agree with GMD though it is a joke.
Anyway I will only need a few this time for
the loop from Kings Canyon The
Plenty Highway is ok so is the OD track is ok.
I most likely with need something for
The Rock but that should be simple enough.
I am going to join a good 4 wheel Drive Club Here in
Newcastle, one that dose long outback trips, That way the Permit thing should be easier to understand.
Thanks again
Wayne B
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 14:38
Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 14:38
Its not a joke and easy enough to do - They have the right to issue permits, its there land - Should be thankful you can still drive across these lands - keep complaining and maybe one day they will close it down.
Most of these permits do not cost anything but your time, just a little effort and its all done.
As stated above there are a lot of permits in society today - why complain about these permits? Maybe its just another way to be racist without admitting it - gmd has added that rasist innuendo
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 15:30
Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 15:30
tonyfish#58 . is it racist to deny access to a section of Australia due to ones colour ? And if not of that colour you require a permit ! Oh yes that is racism and discrimination .
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 18:56
Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 18:56
Thats the go Tony .....
Im all for closing them down ...
Then all the public funds spent providing/maintaining "private" roads ... could be spent on bypasses around the perimeters that we dont need permits for.
And anybody who especially wants to go look around on a "private property" ... can go and knock on a front door and ask permission .... same as happens at my place.
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Follow Up By: Tonyfish#58 - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 19:18
Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 19:18
Alloy - Your the one putting colour/race to permits - If you are not a member of the community that owns the land you need a permit white black brindle or aboriginal.
OzTroopy - Bit overboard mate :-) Remember there are a lot of public roads passing through many a private property and it would be ludicrous to think that every land owner should pay for the maintenance. Some of the roads up there could be maintained by user pays - the others are main through routs which we as taxpayers are quite happy to fund - if it requires a permit to drive it why not? No skin off my nose.
Cheers
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