Mobile electric winch

Submitted: Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 20:49
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Hi all,

Could it be possible to make (or buy) a mobile electric winch. I was thinking using a Warn winch and instead of mounting to a bullbar, have it so you could attach using a chain to the front or back tow points of my Rodeo.

It would be able to pull in different directions like a tirfor hand winch. Power could come from a lead attached to the battery.

Please let me know your opinions good and bad.

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: D200Dug- Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:13

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:13
Good question :-) I have wondered about that myself !

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Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:14

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:14
Wasn't the Brawn elec winch marketed as a winch from anywhere winch??

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Follow Up By: Wilko - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:19

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:19
Thanks Sir Kev,

Do you know if you can still buy them?

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Follow Up By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:25

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:25
A quick google search reveals that they appear to only do a standard front mount winch.


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Reply By: Member - Andrew L (QLD) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:27

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:27
A loose winch connected by a chain...what happens when a weak link breaks...

In a mounted winch, the cable etc become the missile, in a free/loose winch, it may become the missile.

If you have ever done any amount of winching 3+ton vehicles, add the "stuck" factor....last thing you want is 30 odd kilos of free winch being launched.
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Follow Up By: Wilko - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:43

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:43
Hi Andrew,

I thought about that but if its attached to the car, and something breaks the only thing the 30kg missile would hit is trees or dirt.

Id obviously have to ensure noone was in harms way. Id prob use an over sized chain say 15tonnes so it wasnt the weak link.

As long as its securely secured to the vehicle then it would be no more dangerous IMO then a normal bullbar mounted winch.

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Bonz (Vic) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:34

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:34
Warn do one, and it wouldn't be much more dangerous than a normal winch I reckon, normal rules apply.

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Follow Up By: Wilko - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:45

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:45
Thanks Bonz,

Agree with your thoughts.

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:35

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:35
Warn used to do a 5000Lb portable winch about 20 years ago.

It is mounted in a steel box with plastic top and has a receiver inside which can be attached and used and provision for 2 D shackles for use with a chain or bridle. I have a cable with anderson plug to the back and the short cable also has an anderson plug and connections for the battery.

I have one and have rescued a few stucks with it. It is still in perfect condition as it doen't hang off the front of the car. I am planning to get a second hand towbar and put on the front.

Now you can get a receiver cradle for use with any 9000lb winch. I saw one advertised in Australian 4WD Action a few months ago.

Regards Philip A

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Follow Up By: Wilko - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:48

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:48
Hi Phil,


When you say your putting a 2nd hand towbar on the front, Do you mean you want to install a winchpoint in the reciever?

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Crackles - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:42

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:42
Warn make 3 models with carry handles that can be fitted into the 2" tow bar reciever hitches & connected via Anderson type plugs. LINK
Brawn used to make the Port-a-winch which was great in theory but the fact they don't sell them any more may just be because they were not very practical. Difficult & time consuming to setup, they were hard to lay the cable on straight and would have suffered from severe line loss with the extended cables & connectors. Weighing 30kg they would be heavy to lift into position & pack away, then you'd have to secure the sucker. Check pages 7 & 8 of this PDF for photo's on how they were set up.
Cheers Craig..............
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Follow Up By: Wilko - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:58

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:58
Thanks Craig,

Thats what I'm after. Yes prob be heavy and cumbersome but would rather put up with that then have the extra weight on the frontbull bar permanently and be able to winch in all directions.

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Member - Scrubby (VIC) - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:49

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 21:49
G`day Wilko,
Note you asked about electric winch but a petrol powered winch comes in several sizes and could possibly be used in wider applications, i.e. remote from 12 volt power etc.
Probably not a lot of difference in weight as an electric.

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Follow Up By: Wilko - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 22:03

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 22:03
Thanks Scrubby,

Hadnt thought of a petrol version.

Not a bad isea though.

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: pop2jocem - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 22:51

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 22:51
Hi Wilko

Yeah thought about rigging up something similar myself. The only factor that makes me have 2nd thoughts is the weight factor. The portable model that Warn make comes in at 47kg. Now that's not too bad in good conditions, two reasonable size blokes could handle that. But how many times do you get bogged in good conditions. Imagine trying to get that into place and hooked up while bogged up to your diff housings in mud or on a slippery hillside. If I could come up with a skid or trolley to manouver it onto the front or rear in less than ideal conditions I would give it a go.

Cheers Pop
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Follow Up By: Wilko - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 20:31

Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 20:31
Hi Pop,

I would be difficult but not impossible. IMO the benefits are going to out weigh the bad.

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: 2000 Red Rodeo - Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 23:08

Saturday, Feb 27, 2010 at 23:08
I own a Brawn Port a Winch. Not sure if Brawn are still around - did a quick google but couldn't find them. Will have a better look around tomorrow for you.

Anyway, I have had it for about 6 years and think it is fantastic. I have used it 4 times including once at the rear of the car.

I have set up an large Anderson Plug at both the front and rear of the car. At the rear of the car the winch attaches (bolts) into the Hayman Reese. At the front of the car I have 2 rated recovery points on the car which I connect 2 3 metre tree trunk protectors which are then shackled to the winch. It is as solid as a rock.

I used it once to winch up a very steep hill which I should never have gone down. Worked a treat.

I have recently upgraded the cable to synthetic rope, which has taken some of the weight out of it. Either way it's a one person lift (about 30kg)

At the time the main reason I purchased a port a winch was so I could keep the winch even after upgrading to a newer model of 4wd. Not that this has been an issue as currently I have no intention of upgrading as the newer vehicles are getting softer and too electronic, but thats another issue not for here.

Geoff
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Reply By: garrycol - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 08:36

Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 08:36
Something to put your winch in but you need a square tube type towbar on the front and rear.

Garry
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Follow Up By: garrycol - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 08:37

Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 08:37
Ooooops forgot the linkhttp://cgi.ebay.com.au/Winch-Cradle_W0QQitemZ290388110120QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Car_Parts_Accessories?hash=item439c7aeb28

Garry
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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 15:53

Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 15:53
I reckon it would be quite simple to make something up and would be really practical set up too....good idea!

Cheers
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Follow Up By: Wilko - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 20:34

Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 20:34
Thanks Hairy, I'm gonna give it a go and will let know how it goes after a couple of goes.

Could be a while, I havent had to use a winch in years. I'll have to get out more lol.

Cheers Wilko
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Reply By: Peter_n_Margaret - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 21:58

Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 21:58

This is my Warn 16.5TI (16,500lb) winch.
Theoretically I can put the OKA back on its wheels if it falls over with this.
The 2 ropes attaching the winch to the vehicle are 12.5T winch ropes.
It normally rides in a Hayman style hitch at the front.

Cheers,
Peter
OKA196 Motorhome.
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Follow Up By: Wilko - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 14:23

Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 14:23
Thanks Pete,

Thats the thing I was thinking of. Is there a reason why the winch is away from your OKA? (Is there an advantage to having it away from the vehicle?)

Cheers Wilko
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Follow Up By: Peter_n_Margaret - Tuesday, Mar 02, 2010 at 01:12

Tuesday, Mar 02, 2010 at 01:12
I don't suppose it needs to be as far as it is Wilco (about 1.8m), but having the 2 ropes from the winch to the single attachment point is essential to keep the winch square with the pull direction, wherever it is. They MUST be EXACTLY the same length.
Since that pic was taken, I eliminated the yellow spreader part and replaced it with lugs welded directly to the mounting cradle and they bring the attachment points a little closer together, and it works fine.
The "extension cord" is 50mm2 welding cable and 3.5m long which allows mounting of the winch at any point along the length of the vehicle. I have 2 power supplies via the 400A Anderson plugs, one at the front via the crank system and one at the rear via the house batteries. There is also a 70mm2 link between the 2 systems via a 200A 2 way RedArc.

Hope that helps.....

Cheers,
Peter
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Reply By: austastar - Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 22:26

Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 22:26
Hi,
re petrol powered winch - I have seen some where on the web a British rescue team using a winch powered by a chain saw, minus the blade and cutting teeth.
The chain (sans teeth) was used to drive the winch mechanism which turned the spool etc.

Messy to set up, but good for long hauls.

cheers
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