Land Cruiser aircon
Submitted: Sunday, Feb 28, 2010 at 23:12
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Member -Tukka (WA)
Howdy all, hope all is
well
Not a happy chappy at the moment, getting the tray back all ready for my trip to
Broome to meet up with an eo member to do our trip to
perth for ac/dc and all has come to a warm halt.
Jumped in her to drive to the local club to grab a few bevies for the night and the aircon was blowing hot!! :( I looked under the bonnet to find the belt spinning but the compressor not spinning at all.
I think its the compressor seized but not really sure so maybe someone can fill me in?. Im leaving Tuesday and tomorrow being a public holiday im hoping i can get some info on
where to start
Cheers
Reply By: Member - Lotzi (QLD) - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:06
Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 10:06
Yo Tukka
Hope you get the a/c fixed.
Went to the ACDC concert in Brizvegas on Sat night, with about 10 fellow oxygen assisted, deaf ol fts, top shelf ol mate.
Although deaf, ears still ringing, I think volume was set at about 27 . . grnn, top quality night, worth every cent, couple of rums or 3 prior to going in helped.
Oh, did I say, cant help with the A/C . . .
Cheers
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Follow Up By: Member -Tukka (WA) - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 12:56
Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 12:56
Lol cheers Lotzi Aircon is a need up in the Kimberleys this time of year but my needs are to get to
perth any way i can to see these guys.
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Reply By: Wherehegon - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 13:09
Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 13:09
Hi Tukka, my guess is its low on gas, Toyota aircon compressors are a great compressor and dont really fault that much, unless extremely old then they start to seize up. Easy way to
check for loss of gas, push a/c button on dash or in your case for memory turn the a/c dial behind the fan switch, turn to max temp clockwise (cold) as you would know, turn on fan then obviously the motor should idle up and the compressor cut in. Is it idling higher then normal when you switch the air on ?? Behind the grill (for memory) will be a low and high pressure switch will be in the middle of a pipe. pull the wiring loom off the switch then grab a bit of electrical wire, strip either end and stick either end of the wire into the two terminals (female) the plug you pulled off, this is bypassing the low and high pressure switch which they put on the vehicle 1, so that if the system gets high pressure (normally from overgasing) it will shut it down so it doesnt blow any seals 2, it also stops the system from working if low on gas as the system has lubricating oil in it with the gas and the gas helps move the oil around the whole system to keep everything lubed up. If the clutch engages on the front of the compressor (you will hear a click) then it is low on gas, will need a recharge usually around the $90 unless you want to put a new receiver dryer filter in it as
well (would recomend if it hasnt been changed in a while) If the compressor does cut in DONT leave the wire in there you will stuff the compressor put the plug back on the switch and get it gassed up. Other then that
check the relays under the bonnet and possible fuse but I doubt it, Let us know the problem. If it was blowing hot air and the compressor was working then Id say either heater tap of TX valve but this isnt your issue but my moneys on the low gas. The rubber pipes are pourous and will allow a small amount of gas to escape over the years resulting in compressor not cutting in due to the low and high pressure switch doing its job. Regards Steve
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Follow Up By: Member -Tukka (WA) - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 13:25
Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 13:25
Thanks alot for you info thats great. just been looking into it a little more. when hitting the a/c button the comprerssor isnt kicking in so that must mean an elec problem does it? i checked the fuse under the dash and it was ok, i checked the plugs on the high and low cut out switch because the wires stuffed up there once before but had an auto sparkie sort it out
So maybe a relay or something like that?
So the compressor shouldnt cut in when low on gas correct?
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Follow Up By: Top Ender - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 13:32
Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 13:32
Was the A/C cold before you stopped ?? if so I doubt it is a gas issue.
Try to get a
test light and see if there is power to the plug that connects to the compressor.
Look for a faulty relay and
check fuses under the bonnet.
These are easy enough to try by yourself.
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Follow Up By: Member -Tukka (WA) - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 13:36
Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 13:36
I hadnt used it for about 4 days but decided to use it because the
young bloke was coming for a spin with me and it just blew hot from the start. it was cold last time i used it though
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Follow Up By: Wherehegon - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 14:07
Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 14:07
""when hitting the a/c button the comprerssor isnt kicking in so that must mean an elec problem does it? "" ............
no,
if its low on gas it wont kick in at all, BUT if you put a bridging wire into the 2 female slots on the high and low pressure switch (the plastic plug you pull off NOT the 2 male connections on the pipe work) then turn on your air as normal and it still doesnt kick the compressor in then its an electrical issue, as I described in previous reply this is only testing for low gas, and if the system is low then by doing as above the compressor should kick in but you need to have your fan and a/c switch on the dash turned on and bridging wire in place. You said it was cold last time you used it, but was this on a 40d day,25d or muggy weather ?? Some times it will still come through feeling cold but at the same time has been losing gas over a period of time so you dont notice it not as cold as say when it is full of gas. For example my prado was cycling on and off at around 5 to 8d, meaning coming out the vents at 5, thermostat would cut it off, it would climb to 7 when the compressor would cut in by then it was sitting on 8 then would start to drop back down again towards 5, knowing this is warmer then normal for the prado, the sight glass also had a tad of white flowing through it when cycling, I topped the system up with only 250g of gas it now runs at 3 and 5, doesnt sound like much but on a 40d day it makes a big difference. Maybe you just didnt realize it wasnt as cold as is could be ?? Regards Steve
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Follow Up By: Member -Tukka (WA) - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 14:12
Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 14:12
ok i get ya
It hasnt been as cold as it should be for a while now, the auto sparkie did tell me it would probably need gas soon. It was the same temp coming out last time i used it and yes it would of been a stinking hot day. Its a pain in the back side thats for sure..
Ill trying the bridging idea like you say and see how it goes
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Follow Up By: Wherehegon - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 14:23
Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 14:23
Just reread your post, you say .........I looked under the bonnet to find the belt spinning but the compressor not spinning at all"" at the front of the compressor is the clutch (in front of belt like a round disc) was this spinning or not ?? The pulley that the belt is around will spin all the time wether clutch is engaged or not, the clutch part of the pulley the bit in front of belt will lock engage when air is working pulling itsefl back intowards the pulley, if clutch is not engaging this will be sitting still BUT the pulley the belt is around WILL BE spinning. If the compressor is stuffed when the clutch engages (locks into the pulley) the belt would be screaming its head off BUT unless you
test for low gas first you wont be able to tell if compressor is stuffed or not. Regards Steve
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Follow Up By: Member -Tukka (WA) - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 14:27
Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 14:27
No the round disk is not spinning, just the pulley around the compressor is
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Follow Up By: Wherehegon - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 15:15
Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 15:15
Thats a good
sign, still dont know 100% its not siezed unless you do the bridging with the wire, if the compressor cuts in and no squeling from the belt then problem is low gas, if the compressor doesnt cut in after bridgong it and having all switches turned on inside then its electrical. Doesnt sound like genuine air to me ?? I thought for sure the cruisers like yours and the troopys had the dial behind the fan switch and was a dial that turned clockwise depending on how cold you wanted it not a button ?? Been a while since I fitted them back in 1988 to 93 when I worked for Toyota. Regards Steve Let us know how you go after bridging it.......
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