landcruiser v8

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Iam thinking of buying a v8 petrol cruiser and installing lpg . Has anyone done this and what was the end result like? Would like to get a turbo diesel but out of my price range. We will be traveling around aus. towing a van (one day I hope ) but need to buy the cruiser first.
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Reply By: WYSIWYG (Bundaberg Qld) - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 13:34

Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 13:34
Hi David,
I think there is info on this forum re the LPG and can be found by the search engine. The is also a dedicated Landcruiser site which has lots of info on petrol/gas.

http://www.lcool.org/about.html

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Reply By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 14:15

Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 14:15
david,

What are you looking at 100 or 200?

I have the 100 IFS V8 5 sp auto brought new in 2004 I had gas installed pre delivery, now done 190,000 kms.

Had to loose the sub tank and put a wheel carrier on the back as the IFS prevents scuba LPG tanks. 100 ltr 80 ltr usable tank.

My records show that I average 15.8 ltrs per 100 on LPG and 13.5 on Petrol over the last nearly 6 years touring not towing.

I tow a boat 700kgs but no great distance - a small camper trailer 490kgs - and until recently a caravan 1.2 tonnes.
The worst consumption with the van was LPG 20 ltrs per 100 and petrol at a guess was 17 ltrs per 100 (I stuffed the recording up on this) only towing between the Central Coast and Dungog.

Long hauls up hill and with headwind consumption could climb greatly.

I have vapour injection and lose no power in acceleration or climbing hills.

The $11,000 difference in purchase price between Petrol and Diesel buys a lot of petrol and LPG, but remember resale will be lower.




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Follow Up By: Member - david m2 (SA) - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 20:13

Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 20:13
I would be looking at 100 series
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 18:16

Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 18:16
To do the feasibility you need to factor in, on top of the purchase price of the petrol cruiser:

1) the cost of the conversion
2) the cost of a spare wheel carrier at the back (to make room for the gas tanks)

Then take into account the km's you will be doing and the cost/km with gas.

On the other hand, check out the price of the diesel, no additional cost for wheel carriers, etc. - what is the cost per km of a diesel.

Bear in mind the range - you will get much further between refills on a diesel. Plus unleaded and lpg are not available everywhere in remote areas

Then consider that the extra cost you are paying for the diesel will be recouped when it comes to trade in - 10% more for diesel than petrol mods.

Then consider the huge torque advantage you have with the diesel without sacrificing power much - in fact overtaking from 100km/h to 120km/h is better on the diesel models than petrol - when you tow that becomes critical for overtaking safely

Now I haven't done all the above sums, as there is a degree of personal choice in the above variables, but I would suggest that you'd be better off with a diesel
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Follow Up By: Member - david m2 (SA) - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 20:22

Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 20:22
I agree about the advantages with the diesel but the money i would save buying a petrol , and the grant for the conversion makes the petrol very tempting. you can'tbe serious in saying a diesel is safer
when over taking at 120km /hr.




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Follow Up By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 02, 2010 at 15:49

Tuesday, Mar 02, 2010 at 15:49
Feds are still reimbursing for LPG conversion so the cost is realistically $1000 for the LPG and close to the same for a rear wheel carrier.

1 advantage is shifting the spare from under the car.
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Reply By: Gazal Champion - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 18:28

Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 18:28
Hi David, My gas installer who has had years of experience says that vapour injection is the only way to go on the V8 as the fumigation method is not economical on the V8.

When doing the consumption figures it is best to relate it to distance per dollar, or cents per kilometre, as that is a far more accurate method and you are then comparing apples with apples.

I had a 97 model 80 ser. on gas and i thought it was brilliant. I now have a 96 model 80 ser. turbo and I am not as happy with it as I was with the gas/ dual fuel unit. So much so that I am thinking of going to a petrol 100 series and get it gassed. Can't make up my mind just yet. If I do it might be a V8 as well as you get a bit more power and better economy on long runs according to a friend who had both a 95 6 cyl cruiser and a V8 100 ser. cruiser.

The only cloud over going to gas is whether or not the government is going to apply the fuel excise to gas in the next year or so. Wish I had a crystal ball.

Regards, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: Gazal Champion - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 18:36

Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 18:36
should have added that I have just spent $3400 getting the injectors and pump done up on the diesel and it only has 270,000 on the clock. Don,t be tricked into believing diesels are cheaper to run because the sums don't back it up. The longer you own a diesel the more it will cost. According to one post some time back a fellow who was an accountant was going to buy a turbo diesel, cruiser I think, but after he did the sums he realized that it was cheaper to own the petrol all due to the difference in purchase price.
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Follow Up By: Member - david m2 (SA) - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 20:27

Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 20:27
it's starting to look this way. i wish they sold lpg in every remote town in Aus.
a friend of mine has had a diesel for many years and it has slowly become more thrsty and has turned into a bit of a pig.he is looking at a v8 100 also,
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Follow Up By: Wherehegon - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 21:57

Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 21:57
Hi Gazal, is the cruiser auto or manual ?? Regards Steve
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Follow Up By: Member - david m2 (SA) - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 22:05

Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 22:05
i would like a manual if i hve a choice

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Follow Up By: Wherehegon - Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 22:14

Monday, Mar 01, 2010 at 22:14
Sorry should have said is the 96 model 80 series you have auto or manual ?? Regards Steve
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Follow Up By: Member - Tony V (NSW) - Tuesday, Mar 02, 2010 at 15:46

Tuesday, Mar 02, 2010 at 15:46
I suppose in reality you have to consider how much time will you and the vehicle be doing the "big" trip during the life or ownership of the vehicle.

If you do 2 weeks each year in the very remote regions thats still 50 weeks where you are close to LPG.

If you spent 6 weeks doing the Canning, yes diesel is better for distance and safer to carry, but who does the canning for 6 weeks each year?

I did a run to see my daughter in Yulara (Uluru) just after Christmas, Central Coast NSW to Uluru, evry stop has LPG, I came back via Coober Pedy, William Creek, to Lyndhurst, Cameron Corner, Tibbuburra , White Cliffs and home.
Intended to do Oodandata and Bourke but the floods caused road closures.

William Creek, Cameron Corner and White Cliffs did not have LPG (White Cliffs had NO fuel, nearest Willcannia.

Last year did a similar but returned via the Pleny Hwy and Mount Isa. Again plan LPG and it is no issue.


Now towing a van would be a different story and as said before this is where torque comes in as suggested elsewhere.

But that comes down to how often and how far......

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Follow Up By: Gazal Champion - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:22

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:22
Hi Wherehegon, all my tow vehicles are auto as they give better traction when taking off towing a load and as I live on a property near Port macquarie, and the track is dirt and sometimes mud, the auto has a smoother power aplication to the back wheels thereby giving better traction in mud and in fact almost any surface.
In my experience as i have lived here for over 20 years.

Actually for towing my next vehicle preference is the 100 series V8 with the 5 speed auto and definitely on gas dual fuel. That way you have always got your backside covered, so to speak.
Regards, Bruce.
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Follow Up By: Wherehegon - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 15:50

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 15:50
Hi Gazel, if you get a chance can you email me on hsv1968@tpg.com.au with your home ph or mobile number and I will ring you back, want to ask you some thing but dont think it appropriate to ask private stuff on here. I cant send you a private message as your not a member on here other wise would have. Regards Steve
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