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Submitted: Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 16:36
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When are they going to put a stop to this?

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I was on Fraser about 4 weeks ago and the amount of times I had to get out of the way of a pink troopie with a triple story house on top was just crazy. I thought the rules changed for the hire companies?

How many more people need to die or get injured?

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Reply By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 16:46

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 16:46
Put a stop to what ? It was NOT on Fraser Island !

Do you want to ban Troopies ?


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Follow Up By: Member - Troll 81 (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 16:56

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 16:56
Don't be ridicules where did I say ban them you are missing the point

They had 9 people in there and heading to Fraser as per This report

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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 16:59

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 16:59
The rollover was on River Heads road that goes to the Vehicle Ferry to Fraser Island.
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Follow Up By: OzTroopy - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 07:19

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 07:19
I was hoping it was a post about putting a stop to sensationalised media reporting ....
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Follow Up By: Member - Kiwi Kia - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 07:55

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 07:55
Troll 81
I would suggest that you reread your post. Your first line is - When are they going to put a stop to it.

You then go on to say that you had to avoid a Troopy on Fraser Island.

Well, I have had to avoid heaps of speeding 4wd's towing camper trailers on the Cape York road but there is not much point wanting some one (who?) to put a stop to it ! I have also been a bit alarmed at the speed of a lot of 4wd vehicles on Fraser Island.

My qusetion to you was - Stop what ? Are you suggesting that it was a hire vehicle that rolled ?

KK
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 21:06

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 21:06
I was hoping it was suggestions on how to stop poorly written Forum posts that are easily misinterpreted.
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Reply By: Member - Jack - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 16:55

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 16:55
Got to love a bit of sensationalism...and 4WD hysteria.
Story says "when a Troop carrier rolled near Fraser Island" which was actually at Hervey Bay, across the water from the island.

What is next ... 'croc takes backpacker near Fraser' for a croc attack at the tip of Oz. ... gotta wonder if journos receive any training these days. Whatever they do receive, is it not in evidence.

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Follow Up By: Rob! - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 17:08

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 17:08
It didn't seem that sensationalist to me. Harvey bay IS near Fraser Island and the troopy was either on the way to or from the island.
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Follow Up By: Member - Jack - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 18:16

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 18:16
I know where Fraser Island is .. and Hervey Bay. Nothing in the story that I read indicated that it was on its way to or from. To include "Fraser Island' in a story about a 4WD roll over at Hervey Bay is simply a means of sensationalising or beating up a story. Same thing if it had happened at Rainbow Beach. Dopey journos trying to suck a story dry. Probably in training for ACA or Today Tonight.

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Follow Up By: Rob! - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 18:23

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 18:23
Where else would an overloaded troopy, with 8 or nine people on board, be going?
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 18:33

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 18:33
Jack,
I've been doing a bit of research on Journalism Degree's.

In almost all cases the Uni also has a Medical Faculty. I've come to the obvious conclusion the Medico's practice Lobotomy's over in Journo land!

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Follow Up By: Rob! - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 18:39

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 18:39
In all probablility the "news story" was a press release from emergency services and not written by a journo.
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Follow Up By: rocco2010 - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 19:29

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 19:29
Geoff:

people who don't know where to put apostophes shouldn't throw stones at journalists
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Follow Up By: rocco2010 - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 19:31

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 19:31
Ha ha got myself that's apostrophes ... know where they go but can't spell em!
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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 22:05

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 22:05
Hi rocco,
That is so funny.

About now my mate would say, "such big fish with such little bait"


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Follow Up By: Kiwi100 - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 15:10

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 15:10
Hey Rocco,

Can't spell them AND don't know where they go. Abbreviate "them" to "em" and you should put an apostrophe ahead of 'em.
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Reply By: Karen & Geoff - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 17:25

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 17:25
Here we go, another argument on EO.
Bring it on.............Dont you love this site!
Karen
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Follow Up By: Alloy c/t - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 17:55

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 17:55
Argument , What argument ? Never an argument on EO , just a gentle exchange of differing opinions , never an argument , never !! LOL.
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Follow Up By: Karen & Geoff - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 17:56

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 17:56
mmmmmmmmmmmm..............lol
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 21:09

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 21:09
Don't you just love these waste-of-time posts complaining about about a post, but not contributing anything !
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Reply By: Wilko - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 17:56

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 17:56
Hi All

IMHO What ever happened to personal responsibilities.

I agree you should have warning signs /lectures about this can happen and dont do that ect but its the person behind the wheel who is at fault.

If they are forewarned then Darwins theory is alive and well.

Cheers Wilko

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Reply By: Member - Geoff H (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 18:19

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 18:19
I can sympathise with the poor buggers, that River Heads road is a shocker but it's the only way to Fraser Island from the Bay.

I would be dangerous too if I was driving a heavily loaded, unfamiliar vehicle carrying 6-10 scantily clad back packers, drinking beer, laughing, joking and skylarking. (They were the days)

However as much as I envy them, we probably need to bring in some sort of controls to save peoples lives.

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Geoff

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Follow Up By: rosso1234 - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 19:05

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 19:05
" that River Heads road is a shocker but it's the only way to Fraser Island from the Bay"

Shhhhhhhhh some people may think you are suggesting they were heading to Fraser island.
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Follow Up By: Member - DAZA (QLD) - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 19:09

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 19:09
I agree Geoff, Riverheads road, is on the Top Ten worst roads in QLD according to the RACQ.
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Reply By: CSeaJay - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 20:29

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 20:29
THE POINT IS hire companies that allow unexperienced drivers to overload their vegicles need to take due care and accept some blame. In the past reports like this was about 4wdriving accidents on the island and on sand which took the emphasis away from the hire comnpanies. This accident reinforces that it can happen anywhere, it is not only sand driving but any driving that is dangerous when the vehicle is overloaded

I think it is high time that they limit the number of passangers to the hire company troopies

Some of the replies here (KK) is rediculous and Troll 81 makes a good point

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Follow Up By: kend88 - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 21:38

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 21:38
thanks CSeajay, it only took 6 or more posts for someone to correctly interpret what I thought Troll had spealt out pretty clearly. Beat me to it.

KenD
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Follow Up By: Madfisher - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 22:02

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 22:02
Yes but usually only the one with the credit card will front up to the office, pick up the vehicle then go arround the cnr and pick up his mates.
Cheers Pete
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Follow Up By: Member - Mike DID - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 21:11

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 21:11
The current laws adequately cover how many people can be in a vehicle = the number of seatbelts.
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Reply By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 21:40

Wednesday, Mar 03, 2010 at 21:40
Troll,
Gotta love the Google ads in your first link:
One was for hiring troopies on Fraser Is,
another selling 4wd trips in Troopies on Fraser,

Must be looking for the resiliant types who don't mind the odd rollover.....
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Reply By: OzTroopy - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 07:16

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 07:16
Why does the vehicle model always get the attention ????

Its not as if the vehicle decides to roll over and play dead all on its own ....


Did tens of thousands of miles in a 47series .... "overloaded" and with two families onboard ... to all sorts of places in Qld, NT & WA.

All the kids survived, the ol girl never fell over ... and if it wasnt for the vehicle configuration we would never have got out there.

Maybe the 70series just isnt as good ???? .....


Or it could be an underloaded problem I suppose .... in regards to the brains of the drivers hiring the things.

Ban rental troopys and they will be rolling 12 seater buses instead ..... Its the human element at fault people ... not the vehicle.
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Follow Up By: Robin Miller - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 08:00

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 08:00
Hi Oz

Its unfamiliarity with a more risky situation that does the damage.

You could blame the driver as the car doesn't fall over by itself , but because they roll more easily its out of the "norm" of that drivers experience level.

This is what catches people.

We can sit here and say , as Peter Garret did, that the paperwork is right
and so everything is ok , but when we have hundreds of people used to driving normal cars , then get into something more prone to roll , well many hear the message and take extra care , but it so easy to fall back on the bodies normal learned reactions.

It happens almost unconsciously.
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Reply By: Honky - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 09:48

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 09:48
Aren't the statistics for rollovers on fraser Island involve only troop carriers?
If it was in NSW they would ban all troop carriers thus solving the problem.

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Follow Up By: Geoff (Newcastle, NSW) - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 09:54

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 09:54
No, people roll all sorts of vehicles on Fraser Island.

It just happens there's more gore and sensationalism in a vehicle full of backpackers!

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Reply By: Member - Humff(TAS) - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:34

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 10:34
As usual the blame of accidents can be attributed to the "nut behind the wheel"
Last September I had the privilege of going to Fraser Island with a group of friends and was alarmed by the amount of 4wds speeding along the beach.
Seen a lot not even slow down at creek crossings (very impressive--the spray kicked up) Had an incident where we were abused because we were standing ankle deep in the water watching the kids having a play in the water ( told to get of the beach as the vehicles have right away) pity they didnt stop because I would have given them the right way, right away.

Saw plenty of them over loaded troopies (in fact over the ten days we were there we helped 3 of the bogged in soft sand)gave them instruction in soft sand driving(letting air out of the tyres etc)
Overall it was the behaviour and attitude of some of the 4wd drivers that somewhat marred the trip.
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Follow Up By: Wilko - Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 15:57

Thursday, Mar 04, 2010 at 15:57
Agreed Humff,

Its primarily the "nut behind the wheel". I drove a troopy when working in an opencut mine on some steep gradients and they are stable and dont roll easily.

When someone loads up the roof rack and drives way too fast for the conditions then things are going to happen.

They need to use thier common sense or maybe thats the underlaying issue, The lack of common sense.

My 13 year old nephew drives his dads landcruiser ute around the farm(checking fences, stock) and would have more sense in his little toe then the 9 that rolled the troopy.

Cheers Wilko
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