great wall china 4wd

They are not the only ones to do badly in the crashtest department.

Has anyone seen the figures for any of the Landcruiser utes prior to the current ones.

Toyota certainly don't advertise how safe they are.........or NOT.

Disco.

Funny how all vehicles are compared to Toyota's..........

This time both are junkers obviously!

The Yak Aircraft Corporation is a Russian aircraft designer and manufacturer, The bureau was formed in 1934 under designer Alexander Sergeevich Yakovlev.

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A friend who sells them for the local dealership here has sold 70+ at last count and claims he could have sold heaps more if there were a diesel option. We will be organising a drive day for them soon so it will be interesting to see how capable they real are. The ones I have seen so far run Mitsubishi motors. We did a drive day with SangYong vehicles last year and they proved to be very capable. Some ppl don't need all the bells and whistles and are happy to get what they pay for. Cheers Rob

Doug T
Yep 100% correct. Dont know what I was thinking when I said the YAK was Chinese. Got my wires crossed I think
Thanks for the correction

Cheers
Wayne

The trouble with most mid sized 4bys for some people is price, i think they're good value for money, from memory most of the others start at 35ish, these are aorund 25ish. Big difference for some people.
Cheers

I would put money on any 200LC or Disco3 (urban shuttles as you call them) offroad when compared to an old Cruiser or Patrol and Defender.

These vehicles are tough, reliable, more comfortable, have more power and better economy and will go further in 90% of situations off road and do it easier AND in most cases with road tyres.

Baz.

Hi Redback

We took a 200 for a test and after it felt like we hadn't done anything. May as well have been in the back seat. You don't drive them. Its almost to the stage, with all the techo stuff, that you sit in the back with the remote and just be a passenger. Why bother with the remote. Just enable the integrated GPS and watch that video: "4wding in the 80's". Darn it. Just grab the big screen remote a beer and chips and sit back in the media room. I think I am going a bit far here. Get the idea though? An excellent bit of engineering but NO THANKS.

This is exactly why we went for a 2nd hand car. We want to enjoy the feel of the bumps and rocks in the steering wheel. Feel the wheels slip and have to adjust the braking - carefully. Concentrate on wheel placement and where the best traction and stable part is. All that good stuff.

We want to play and not be a passenger (no not bloody hoon).

Sorry but you can have your robot urban shufflers. Each to their own.

Phil

Quote: "This is exactly why we went for a 2nd hand car. We want to enjoy the feel of the bumps and rocks in the steering wheel. Feel the wheels slip and have to adjust the braking - carefully. Concentrate on wheel placement and where the best traction and stable part is. All that good stuff.

We want to play and not be a passenger (no not bloody hoon).

Sorry but you can have your robot urban shufflers. Each to their own. "

Give that man a cigar!!!!! My sentiments exactly.

I am of the opinion that far too many so called die-hard "off-roaders" have gone soft around the girth, so to speak.

These days, when we (excluding me, vk1dx and a few others) look at buying a new 4x4 (or any other vehicle), we are hood-winked into looking at such things as "ANCAP ratings" and litres/100klm etc.

I too like to feel (and hear) what my engine and drive train are doing. I can tell you (without the aid of any idiot lights etc) if I'm losing traction on a steep slope, mud hole etc. I suspect, as my learned colleage said above, that in the new fashion "cars", you just wind the windows up, ensure you have your favourite symphony orchestra playing good and loud through the 16 speaker stereo (fed by your MP6 player with it's 64,000,000,000 songs embedded)
and drive it up the same hill, allowing the 223 computers to adjust the KDSS and DHDC and the ASBS etc etc, oblivious to what the heck is going on under the bonnet (until something goes wrong).

Then it's a case of......"Cecil, what does this pretty red light on the dash-board thingy mean and why has our forward motion ceased?"......hahahaha

Time to get the sat-phone out and call the Loan-Arranger and Tonto!!!!!! hahahaha

I too will be sticking with my 10y/o Patrol with it's live axles (including front air locker and great rear limited slipper), powered by a (greenie's worst nightmare) thirsty 6.5 litre Chev V8 diesel and weighing in at around 3 tonne (+/- hahahaha).

However, I suspect these comments will lost on the likes of those who have plenty of money and just love touring around the back blocks listening to Batehoven and Bach, while sipping their latte at every cafe they come across.

The diggers who fought and died for us to have freedom would be rolling over in their graves if they could see how soft we've all become with our side curtain air bags etc etc.

Roachie

Sorry but don't know what the above comments have to do with question asked.We have our 1993 troopy done over 600000ks and yes would never sell her but sometimes would be nice to have a smaller 4wd to do some of the soft stuff.The old bones are not quiet like they use to be.Still would like to hear from someone who actually owns one.
Cheers
Glyn

Yeh, sorry for going off on a tangent...... ;-)

Such naughty bays aren't we Roachie.

"just not telling =bad news" , then again, no news is good news ,

G'day Alloy,

You might be right! I was just getting in form for the usual brand sledging. All ready had a description in mind - how's "the great joke"? Hopefully this will flush them out - I would like to know as well.

Kind regards

In the early 1960s, Toyota motor vehicles were challenging the Holdens, Fords and Chryslers and were demonised as cheap and nasty. But it wasn't long before the Crown sedans and wagons and the chunky Hilux one ton tray tops and Hiace lwb vans appeared everywhere. With the Pilbara iron ore boom of the 1970s the Landcruiser made its entry. Toyota is now at the top with nowhere to go except down.