LED Lights

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Having just ordered a LOTUS extreme caravan ,I was quoted $75 per light extra to install LED lights is this expensive and what is the advantages of LED to normal lights . The whole system will be running on 12 volts.All input appreciated.
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Reply By: Fab72 - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 09:43

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 09:43
Yeah...it's about on the money depending on the size of them I guess. Sprint auto parts sell them for a similar price.
Advantages...they don't suffer from voltage loss as bad as normal lights. Longer life span (doesn't rely on an element heating up to emit light). Less current draw off the electrical system. More resistant to water/corrosion.

mmm..that's all I can think of off the top of my head.
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Reply By: Neil & Pauline - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 09:47

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 09:47
That is very expensive. Good quality down lights cost me $21 at North Coast. I got worried about these as being cheaper but turns out they are better than the $75 one I bought. Do a lot of research as there are a lot of expensive "cheapies" about. The guy from Caravan World gave a talk at the CMCA Rally that explained things reasonably simply. Maybe the info is in one of their magazines.

Neil
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Reply By: Rangiephil - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 09:51

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 09:51
The main advantages of LED lights is that they use a fraction of the power of a QH light and they theoretically last virtually forever. I am assuming MR16 downlights here.

One LED 3x3W =9W downlight is about equal to a 50W QH.

However be careful that the colour temperature is acceptable to you. I am currently having an ebay dispute where lights were advertised as "warm white" and they are "daylight" or even bluer. I am happy but SWMBO objects to them in the kitchen.

$75 is also a lot of money . I just bought 4 9W for $75 from Ebay, and I doubt that the ones offered would be 9W.

The technology is changing rapidly and the main problem seems to be that retailers cannot keep up with the changes in cost vs performance. And a lot of LEDs in the market are 'toys" as far as output is concerned.

I just bought a strip of 72 flexible lights from hong Kong for AUD 2.54 plus postage. They are terrific.

So my recommendation is that they are the future , but you are being charged excessively.

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Reply By: Tenpounder (SA) - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 09:56

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 09:56
Hi there. You may find it useful to browse through Jaycar's catalogue on line to get some ideas about options and prices. I fitted a mixture of 12v fluoro and LED in my van, with a great impact on power consumption, as others have posted.
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Reply By: olcoolone - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:24

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:24
I would go fluro any day over LED,LED lighting is over priced and over rated.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:28

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 10:28
Thats a big statement and not true off course, should be in tomorrows Friday Funnies..! LOL

Good quality LED product is fantastic in so many ways, what isn't is crappy Chinese made stuff, don't get the 2 confused.
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Follow Up By: Bob of KAOS - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:58

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 12:58
Nah, fluoro is rubbish. Tilley Lamp or oil lamp with mantle.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:21

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:21
It's a true statement.

Lets see..

11 watt fluro uses 0.8 amps and for a LED to put out the same light you would use at least 5 times more current easily and pay 20 times more for it.

Fluro scatter light more efficiently causing a lot less shadowing and are not directional as LED's are.

LED light output is poor compared to a fluro for general use.

Large LED's generate a great deal more heat then a fluro tube.

Good quality WHITE LED's are expensive.

White LED's suffer from degrading of light output over time and heat.

Large clusters and high output LED's need a hugh heat sink to disperse heat.

Fluro's give you more bang for you buck.


Now whats so good about LED's






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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:32

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:32
One thing I forgot.....White and Blue LED's can cause permanent damage to human eye's.

Haver a look at "blue light hazard"

Or read the LED MSDS.
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:34

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:34
I have had to replace 4 Fluro Interior Lights in 6 months..! I have never had to replace an LED. In my opinion Fluro is not always reliable, you can get great LED lights if you look around and don't buy junk. Never the less we each have our preferences.
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Follow Up By: Bonz (Vic) - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:38

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:38
11w Fluoro = 0.9 amps = 690 lumens/metre

11w LED = 0.9 amps = 800 lumens/metre (cree LED's)

So based on light output LED's win. The LED also has a 160 degree lighting angle giving it a comparable light spread to the fluoro. The lifespan of the LED's is around 5 years, which is greater than the fluoro. The light degradation of the LED is less than the degradation of the fluoro.

The costs however and not comparable, the LED's for the same application cost a lot more.

Bang for your buck yes

All other titles go to the LED.

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Follow Up By: Mike DiD - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 18:33

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 18:33
" for a LED to put out the same light you would use at least 5 times more current easily and pay 20 times more for it. "

- you need to catch up with modern times.

- try getting a fluoro to start in really cold temperatures - no problem for LEDs

- LEDs don't cause interference to radios.

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Follow Up By: Faulic_McVitte - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 21:45

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 21:45
13w CF U tube fluro uses .8A
Give me a fluro any day over LED. I do have LED lighting but think of it more as mood lighting. Good to move around van at night, but hopeless for reading. If you go to high powered LED they generate as much heat as halogen. Fluro wins hands down for light output versus current consumption and low heat.
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Follow Up By: Mike DiD - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 21:48

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 21:48
The latest cars use LED headlights.

How many cars have you heard of using Fluorescent Headlights ?
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Follow Up By: Member - Phil G (SA) - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 22:20

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 22:20
Depends. I still like a horizontally mounted 13W fluoro as a general camp light - I've not seen any LED light that will provide the same amount of illumination over a wide area.

But for a reading light, or when the bugs are around, or for anything thats battery powered or needs a directional light, then give me a good LED.
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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Friday, Mar 19, 2010 at 09:18

Friday, Mar 19, 2010 at 09:18
If you call cars over $300000 normal then yes the latest cars do come out with LED lights and I could count them on one hand.

Non of my cars use them, they still use to old fashioned HID system.

What do you call really cold temps?

We use LED lights including good quality 5 watt touches and head lights but for general use you can not go past fluro's

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Reply By: Best Off Road - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:13

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:13
Give Phil from Blue Moon Agencies a ring, 0425 737 891.

Terrific bloke and knows his stuff.

Jim.

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Reply By: _gmd_pps - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:45

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 11:45
there are bulb replacements on ebay for a few $ and they
fit every type light.
also you get dome lights in all shapes and forms for a few $
dome light.

get the minimum from the supplier and do the rest yourself.
Have not seen a single caravan equipped the way I would want it.
We have just aquired a 32 foot horse float with living quarters and the
finishing and equipment is shocking.. very low level Australian at inflated
prices, and it is called the top of the range "Grande" from a Vic manufacturer.
Rofl... what a drag... just fitting markerlights at the right height to make it even
street legal.

good luck
gmd
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Follow Up By: Member - Allan B (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 14:29

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 14:29
When you see superlatives such as "Grande" you should automatically be on your defensive!

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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 14:41

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 14:41
True ..
but the Grande in that situation was meant for the length more than anything.
It was their longest they did, still you'd expect a bit more from the flagship ..
anyway we bought it second hand (year 2006) with a real decent discount
so one cannot complain too much and just do what we need.

But its really ludicrous when you see a water pipe going down the middle of a cupboard making it useless for storage where it was no problem to run it along the sidewall, what we are going to do... and many more things like that ...

have fun
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Reply By: Brett and Judy - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 14:05

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 14:05
Hi pojo, one question needs to asked, do you mean the vans tail lights or interior lights. $75 is about right for tail lights, interiors should be cheaper than that.
One thing, led's are good for reading lights but not for overheads, they do not have much spread and are very bright to look at.

Brett
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Follow Up By: TerraFirma - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:36

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:36
You can buy LED Flood lights, don't believe that LED's don't have spread, it's because it isn't a FLOOD version of the said light. The best little light I have ever seen is the Zebra "FLOOD" headlamp , the flood is amazing and all from one 1 x LED. A standard LED dosn't have much spread.
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Reply By: gottabjoaken - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 15:59

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 15:59
Yup, Pojo,

tell 'em they're dreamin'.

But do go with LEDs internally if you can. Get the colour balance right to avoid the stark blue-white ones, and that does cost extra.

But tell 'em to get with the program. Eco-efficiency is all the rage now!

Ken
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Reply By: Member - Graham H (QLD) - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:52

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 17:52
The latest and obviously from what I am reading in the SEPT 2009 Handyman mag are CFL lights or

Compact fluorescent lights.

According to the article and what I have read on the web they are the most efficient of all types of lights

Eg running cost over 10,000 hours is $27 for a 18wcfl batten $7ea

for 100w incandescent bulb $150 50c ea $5 over10,000h

4 x 50w Halogens $300 plus $54 for transformer losses $2 ea $40 for 20

4 x30w IRC $210 plus $54 as above $5 to $15 ea

4 x 3w LED $18 plus $54 as above $15to $75 ea

4 x 11w CFL Downlights $66 $15 to $25ea


They also run much cooler BUt contain Mrecury so care is needed if one breaks


Interesting?????????


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Follow Up By: olcoolone - Friday, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:31

Friday, Mar 19, 2010 at 12:31
Funny how new technology isn't always the best.

Over the years we have done a lot of testing with work lights and interior lighting in trucks and vans body's and in real life conditions and the old fluro is still the best.

LED lighting is good for spot lighting but causes to much shadowing and black spots for general use.
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Reply By: Member - Doug T (NT) - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 20:53

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 20:53
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Reply By: Faulic_McVitte - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 21:48

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 21:48
Would not be worrying to much about the lights, I would be worrying about the build quality or lack thereof first and foremost.
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Reply By: GerryP - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 23:00

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 23:00
Hi Pojo,

I paid (from memory) about $400 extra to go all LED outside and inside, except for the main inside lights, which are fluoros.

I reckon it's worth it as you'll never have to replace another globe, they draw minimal power, they won't upset your car's hazard flashers due to overload, they're bright and they are waterproof.

Cheers
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Reply By: outsider - Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 23:59

Thursday, Mar 18, 2010 at 23:59
I got some off this guy and they are greatLink here

Anyone who says fluros are better than led's has bumped their head a few too many times.

I have had both and led's win hands down and they don't make your radio sound terrible either.

I am amazed at how little power the led's use and they are plenty bright enough.
My mate saw mine and bought some as well

haha fluros......
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