engel model numbers 110V ???

Hi All,

Looking at the Engels the MT45F

Why is the 110v model MT45F-U1 around the 700 usd (approx 750 aud) price yet the 240v model MT45F-S is around 1200 aud (approx 1120 usd) ????

The new models have the digital thermostat reading, internal light....

But really....Why the HUGE price difference?

I know there are thousands questions on here about the fridges, but still, does just not seem right.

shed any light?

Regards Paul
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Reply By: Sir Kev & Darkie - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 07:53

Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 07:53
Add the cost of a 110 to 240v transformer and then compare costing again :)

The US may have a lower Import Tax than us as well.

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Reply By: Hairy (NT) - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 09:11

Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 09:11
Id stay well away from anything 110v!
Yanks have the worst power system and appliances in the world in my opinion.
I really don't know anything about the 110v Engels but if there like any of there other appliances I wouldn't touch them.

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Reply By: Nutta - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 09:31

Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 09:31
Just us dumb aussies getting screwed over by our gov as usual!
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Follow Up By: cycadcenter - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 09:39

Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 09:39
As someone who splits their time between Australia and the USA I have to constantly wonder why things are 20-40% more expensive in Oz than anywhere else.

And why I can buy Australian products 25% less in the USA than I can in Australia.

As to USA appliances I think they are just as good in the USA as they are in Australia after all they pretty much all come out of the same factory in China.

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Follow Up By: _gmd_pps - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:35

Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:35
Australian wine is A$3 and less in Europe.
Australians are too uncritical and pay what is asked.
also a smaller market but it does not always justify such high prices.
I buy in the US, Europe and Hong Kong and even our sweets and lot of spices
and cooking aids come from Europe and are cheaper despite the shipping.
100g choc is 40 euro cent and 10 times better quality, which is true for many products. Also the product range is very very limited in Australia.

A good product has multivoltage power supple 110v/240v and it is only cents more in production.

Don't buy Engel .. simple ...

have fun
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Follow Up By: CruisinDub - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 06:38

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 06:38

Fair comment mate.

Looking to relocate back home after spending my 20's overseas living and working and looking to ship a 20' container home with all our personal belongings.
Had intended to make use of our 20' container, since we pay for the full volume.

Now looks like we will not only get stung for tax and import duty by Australian customs, for all wedding our gifts as yet unused since our wedding, but anything else that we have not owner for more than 12 months.

So anything I have bought for my wife for xmas last year, technically we have to pay tax on this since not owning for more than 12 months and all wedding gifts left fully packed for sending back home will also be liable to be charged import duty and gst charges.

Welcome to Australia.

So, yes.
Now I can understand why the same (ok, admitedly only different voltage) product is hundreds of dollars cheaper in the US than in Australia.

Suddenly my home and country, for an Aussie born and bred, is not looking so welcoming anymore.

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Follow Up By: Nutta - Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 19:22

Friday, Apr 16, 2010 at 19:22
Yep, new Australia!
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Reply By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:46

Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 10:46
Simple answer; it's what the market will bear! Why charge less if you can get away with charging more? I guess you have to ask the question; how come you can get a 400L domestic fridge for about the same price as a 40L Engel? Sounds like a good bit of profit margin in there somewhere!

I'd steer clear of buying a 110v Engel and using a 110/240 transformer locally. The US Engels would be set up for working on 60Hz line frequency, whereas Aust (and most of the world) are on 50Hz line frequency. The compressor in an Engel is set up to resonate at a particular frequency (50 or 60Hz), and will only operate within a couple of Hz either side. Can't be modified either. Ask anyone who's tried to run an Engel off a 240v alternator which is running a bit slow or fast.

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Follow Up By: dbish - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:36

Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 11:36
If it will run off 12V & you intend to use it on 12V only who cares if its 110V. Daryl
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:29

Sunday, Apr 11, 2010 at 12:29
If you're a truckie on the road all the time, it's not an issue.
But many people run their car fridges at home when not camping, or from the mains when at a caravan park. Saves the need for a separate 240v/12v PSU.
That's the main problem with my Autofridge - I have to use a separate PSU when running it at home.

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Follow Up By: CruisinDub - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:10

Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:10
Thanks to all, always much appreciated !!

As my 'limited' knowledge recalls, the Engel wont chill on 12v, but will 'maintain' a cold temperature....? is this correct? (chill down first on 240v and then switch to 12v)

Also I understand you cant 'freeze' on 12v? I wouldnt have thought also from warm ambiant temperature, particularly on 12v.

Some good food for thought is the fact that the engel prob wont leave the car, so will be hooked at 12v longer term.

hmmm, big cost of the 110v and the 240v models.

Shipping back home container of personal effects in Sept. Looking to stock up on cheaper to buy 'overseas' products when filling the container.
Given the high AUD compared to Euro/USD.

Cheers All. !!
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Follow Up By: dbish - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:40

Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 11:40
All the Engels Ive seen use a swing (solenoid) type compressor & will most certainly freeze. Are generaly a good fridge, your thinking of a 3 way type absorbtion fridge. Daryl
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Follow Up By: Member - mazcan - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:14

Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 12:14
hi cruisin dub
your personel imfo is way off beam

engels will freeze what ever you want on 12 volt no questions about it

as long as you set it up with decent wiring and fuse/connectors etc and a good battery /solar etc source

i have had a 29ltr for many years and have had a 40ltr for several years and never had any problems on 12 volt while on the road

others wil back me up if they can be bothered
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Follow Up By: Member - joc45 (WA) - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 13:19

Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 13:19
Yeh, I'll back you up, mazcan!
The Engel will work just as well off 12v as it will off 240v and will work perfectly as a freezer. You just need to have decent wring at 12v to avoid voltage drop, and have decent 12v capacity to keep up the hefty draw-down off 12v when freezing.

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Reply By: CruisinDub - Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 14:29

Monday, Apr 12, 2010 at 14:29
Hi All,

Thanks for info and input. Always appreciated.

The Waeco series, (ie CF coolmatic, -18dec c) are 110v-240v AC.

Are the Engel 240v only?

If the Engel is that good as everyone agrees on 12v, then it must use a 240v drop down from power supply to 12v power for compressor. ? Correct?

Thanks for all inputs.

Havn't exactly got anyone local to ask here where I am at moment. (Italy)
Getting set up now, before we finish work, to hit the road when we return home later in the year.

US models are far cheaper. ....
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